Re: [vmeet] interest in a side-meeting to talk about remote hubs, local communities, etc?

[Joly MacFie <[e-mail]>]

Individuals attending hubs can still register as remote participants and
interact via jabber etc, surely? The problem I was highlighting at ICANN
was the effort to set up audio/video interactive hubs. Similarly ICANN
still enables interaction via Adobe Connect, and there is nothing to stop
communal viewing.

At both ICANN meetings, and the IGF, there is no better way to keep up with
what happens in other rooms, either live, or catching up during breaks,
than text transcriptions.  In the past, while these are projected in the
room, or emebedded in remote participation platforms, one has to dig to
find the correct standalone streamtext urls. however there is improvement.
One thing I have agitated for,
​  is for immediate posting of the rough transcripts. The tendency is for
these to disappear, and sat on for correction, until the iron is well cold.

j



On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Nalini J Elkins <
[e-mail]> wrote:

> Agreed.
>
> Viewing, not participation.  For now.
>
> Thanks,
> Nalini
>
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> *From:* John C Klensin <[e-mail]>
> *To:* Nalini J Elkins <[e-mail]>; Alia Atlas <
> [e-mail]>; vmeet <[e-mail]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [vmeet] interest in a side-meeting to talk about remote
> hubs, local communities, etc?
>
>
>
> --On Thursday, July 13, 2017 19:51 +0000 Nalini J Elkins
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > John,
> > Remote viewing hubs are important for the developing world.
> > They are a way to do outreach and to incubate new
> > participants.   It will take time for us and them to become
> > effective.   However, let us not in any way diminish the
> > efforts that have been put out by so many to do outreach. We
> > have seen hubs in Latin America, India and Africa.   I hope
> > to see them continue.
>
> Again, and I can't say this too many times, I think remote
> viewing hubs and other sorts of gathering separate from IETF
> meetings are a great idea and should be encouraged in any way
> possible.  My sole concerns is about remote participation by a
> group (hub or otherwise).
>
> Remote _participation_ arrangements can easily favor some types
> of work over others and, however unintentially, discourage
> participating in some IETF efforts.  If they are sponsored by a
> company (or held on its premises) and primarily draw people
> associated with that company of who are associated with the
> company's main area of interest, they carry risks to IETF's
> norms about participation as individuals and even could raise
> questions about collaborations to influence standards
> development work to favor particular organizations or sets of
> organizations.  In addition, fairness in queue management for
> questions and comments would require far more skill, training,
> and attention fro WG Chairs than we have seen so far.
>
> I've convinced that, if we are motivated enough and  in the long
> term and with an adequate investment in training, procedural
> reviews, lawyers, and possibly tools, we can get around those
> problems and make remote participation hubs work in a
> satisfactory way.  But I'm not certain the community cares
> enough or is willing to make the needed investments (remembering
> that they will almost certainly require more attention from and
> put more pressure on the IESG and WG Chairs).  More important
> and precisely because I think remove viewing / observation
> arrangements are very important, I don't want to risk getting
> distracted from that effort by trying to work in parallel on the
> very hard problems of remote participation hubs.
>
>
> best,
>   john
>
>
>
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