Re: [vnfpool] Overlap with SFC?
Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> Fri, 24 January 2014 23:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [vnfpool] Overlap with SFC?
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Chidung, Do you have an example of "A service chain needs X+Y service nodes while X is mandatory and Y being optional"? Thanks, Linda From: vnfpool [mailto:vnfpool-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of LAC Chidung Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 5:26 AM To: Qin Wu Cc: vnfpool@ietf.org; adrian@olddog.co.uk Subject: Re: [vnfpool] Overlap with SFC? Hi Qin, "in service chain, when a service node is down, what SFC is doing is to bypass this service node": is the following interpretation ok ? A service chain needs X+Y service nodes in order to provide the full service: the X service nodes are mandatory, while the Y service nodes are (kind of) optional, i.e., if one (or more) of these Y service nodes is (are) down, the service chain can still provide the service, but in a degraded mode. In this case, the bypassing can only happen for one of the Y service nodes, i.e., if one of the X service nodes is down, there is no service at all. NB: in this example, we consider, of course, that there is no redundancy anywhere, i.e., if a service node is down, the only thing to do is to fix it, and while waiting for the reparation, we face a degraded service, or no service at all. Best, Chidung Le 22/01/2014 06:05, Qin Wu a écrit : My Understanding is in service chain, when a service node is down, what SFC is doing is to bypass this service node while What nfvpool is doing is to replace the failing one with the new service node which provide the same functionality. Please correct me if I am wrong. Regards! -Qin -----Original Message----- From: vnfpool [mailto:vnfpool-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zongning Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:42 AM To: Zongning; adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>; vnfpool@ietf.org<mailto:vnfpool@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [vnfpool] Overlap with SFC? Sorry, item 1) is obviously not finished. :-) 1) SFC targets on steering packets among service function nodes. vnfpool focuses on redundancy for service nodes, e.g., selecting standby nodes, handling nodes transition/failure cases, without caring about how to construct the data path. Again, my fault. -Ning -----Original Message----- From: Zongning Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:34 AM To: 'adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>'; vnfpool@ietf.org<mailto:vnfpool@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [vnfpool] Overlap with SFC? Hi, Adrian, Thanks for raising this question. Actually vnfpool folks have been discussing this question a lot since the very beginning of this work. We believe vnfpool and SFC are independent and complementary mainly due to the below reasons: 1) SFC targets on steering packets among service function nodes. vnfpool focuses on redundancy for service nodes, e.g., selecting standby nodes, handling nodes transition/failure cases, without caring how 2) vnfpool manager in our proposal could interact with SFC control entity to: 1) advertise redundant service nodes; 2) notify status of redundant nodes when required; 3) receive resiliency requirements from SFC control entity (if any); and so on. 3) vnfpool is not only used in "chained service nodes", but applicable to other cases where service nodes are not necessarily sequentially connected. I appreciate any further feedback and advice from you or IESG, as I believe these feedback will greatly improve the quality of our proposed charter. Thanks. -Ning -----Original Message----- From: vnfpool [mailto:vnfpool-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:57 AM To: vnfpool@ietf.org<mailto:vnfpool@ietf.org> Subject: [vnfpool] Overlap with SFC? Hi, The IESG is looking at the BoF requests for London, and a question came upon the overlap between the proposal here and items 4 and 5 in the SFC Charter. I think it would be valuable if you could discuss the overlap and the interaction between the two efforts so that there is a clear view. Thanks, Adrian _______________________________________________ vnfpool mailing list vnfpool@ietf.org<mailto:vnfpool@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vnfpool
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