Re: [VoT] IPR disclosures

Phil Hunt <phil.hunt@oracle.com> Thu, 23 November 2017 22:25 UTC

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The issue i am concerned about then is that by leaving out the issue of claims than the vot is incomplete and would require a separate statement. 

This leads to a lot of interop and complexity problems down the road.  Which value wins etc given they would overlap. 

The vot does not have to address it now but it should have the capability to do so (that may not be possible without a model). 

This is a lot like when we found loa was actually multi dimensional and it had to dramatically change.  IAL falls into the same problem. 

Phil

> On Nov 23, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Leif Johansson <leifj@sunet.se>; wrote:
> 
>> On 2017-11-23 21:23, John Bradley wrote:
>> Authors,
>> 
>> As part of the write-up for the Vectors of trust document, we need an
>> IPR disclosure from all of you.
>> 
>> Are you aware of any IPR related to the following VOT document?
>> 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dricher-2Dvectors-2Dof-2Dtrust_&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=QbLS61Tkq_l46PCZqD5dxO1fLIa4bYOrGBHGDtJrGNY&s=MzyyadRifkHa-POatwYHEwdNoC7wUj777DGKpyRF2RE&e=
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>> Please reply to the list.  
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>> Regards
>> John B. 
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> I am not.
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