Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP working group
Meadhbh Hamrick <ohmeadhbh@gmail.com> Mon, 28 March 2011 22:50 UTC
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From: Meadhbh Hamrick <ohmeadhbh@gmail.com>
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if there is consensus in our objectives. can we then recharter or form a new WG? also. what was this consensus that you assert i agreed to? -cheers -meadhbh -- meadhbh hamrick * it's pronounced "maeve" @OhMeadhbh * http://meadhbh.org/ * OhMeadhbh@gmail.com On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com> wrote: > The group's expectation of direction was already manifest at the time of > Crista's intervention a few months ago, at which time it was unanimous that > everybody except one person was seeking interoperation between virtual > worlds as a primary requirement and as a key motivation for the group's > work. > > The dissenting opinion was clearly, if unofficially, outvoted by <count of > group members> to 1. If that direction is STILL not accepted by everyone in > the WG, I shall ask Barry to formally call a count of votes and establish > the rough consensus officially. Without this we will be perpetually > disrupted by a non-representative minority pulling in the opposite direction > to the rest of the group. > > > Morgaine. > > > > > ======================== > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Meadhbh Hamrick <ohmeadhbh@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Um. Morgaine. You don't get to define the wg's expectation or direction. >> As a member of this wg (and someone who's actually written code related to >> it's problem domain) I would like to be included in the development of this >> group's consensus. >> >> On Mar 28, 2011 8:29 AM, "Morgaine" <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Barry, is there IETF precedent for a WG that has undergone this particular >> train of events, namely a major disconnect between its originators' >> intentions and the WG's expectations of direction? >> >> If so, our situation may be slightly easier to handle, since the >> originators have withdrawn from pressing their case and there appears to be >> almost no actual dispute remaining in the group. Procedurally though, I >> really don't know where we stand from the IETF's perspective. We seem to >> have a common goal now, but if the IETF demands paperwork, we're not there >> yet because the designs and plans have not been worked out. I'm hoping for >> flexibility, but acknowledge that flexibility has a limit. >> >> That said, reading the IETF Mission Statement leaves no doubt that VW >> interoperability is right in the middle of the road for the IETF. Can the >> group be left to work out what needs to be worked out? >> >> >> Morgaine. >> >> >> >> >> ================================= >> >> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, Carlo, Vaugh... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vwrap mailing list >> vwrap@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > vwrap mailing list > vwrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap > >
- Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP workin… Meadhbh Hamrick
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- Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP workin… Morgaine
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- Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP workin… Vaughn Deluca
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- Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP workin… Meadhbh Hamrick
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- Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP workin… Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP workin… Meadhbh Hamrick
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- Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP workin… Barry Leiba
- Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP workin… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP workin… Vaughn Deluca
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- Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP workin… Morgaine
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