Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area Director
David W Levine <dwl@us.ibm.com> Wed, 11 May 2011 16:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area Director
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I think this makes perfect, if sad sense. The (now deprecated) Charter no longer reflects what is being done. As I recall from the distant past, a charter, roughtly needs: Some language setting a pretty clear scope, some language describing the basic approach, and some concrete milestones. One way forward would be to work on a new charter. Another would be for various people who have an interest to put out internet drafts on the ongoing mailing list to drive discussion. I really think if people want to move the ball forward, one or the other or both, is required. There's clealy still some interest, but it's not exactly focused. - David p.s. Finally back to full speed, full time typing, after a 3 month down time due to carpal tunnel, surgery and recovery. You are all free to debate whether this is a good thing, or a bad thing. From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> To: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Cc: vwrap@ietf.org, vwrap-ads@tools.ietf.org Date: 05/10/2011 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area Director Sent by: vwrap-bounces@ietf.org Thanks, Barry. Speaking as the Area Director responsible for the VWRAP WG, I'd like to make it fully clear that we plan to proceed as follows: 1. Close the working group in its current instantiation 2. Keep the vwrap@ietf.org mailing list open 3. Continue discussions on the list The hope is that folks here can converge on a new direction, leading to formation of a new working group, or at least to publication of individual Internet-Drafts that provide a framwork for future efforts. Peter On 5/10/11 7:12 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > I'm encouraged by Morgaine's assessment of the progress the group is > making in discussions. I like that it's taking a broader view, > looking toward interoperation among different virtual worlds. The > discussion of the technology is going in a good direction. > > Where it's going is to a very different place than what was set out in > the VWRAP charter. The IESG will need to re-evaluate the work when > the group has things grounded and can propose a new charter, for the > new direction. They'll need to see who's invested in the new work -- > who will do the protocol design, who will take on the editing, and who > will give it the review it needs to be a good standard. In the > meantime, this mailing list is the right place for the discussion to > continue. > > The IESG will close out the current charter, and will leave the > mailing list open. Remember that the IETF gets most of its work done > on mailing lists, and not all of them are associated with current > working groups. There won't be chairs monitoring it... which means > that there won't be chairs bugging you about IETF process stuff, but > also that there won't be chairs nudging you along, so be careful not > to let that stall the work. > > I suggest that the group put its focus on converging on two initial documents: > > 1. A new introduction and overview document, laying out what > problems/situations/scenarios you'll be addressing, how you'll go > about it, and what things will look like in the end. This should lead > directly to a proposal for a new charter. > > 2. A protocol requirements document, specifying what the protocol(s) > will have to do (and won't have to do). This will be a strong basis > for the protocol design, which could be done in that new working > group. > > Please keep this going. I hope we'll see a charter proposal for a new > working group fairly soon. > > Barry, as chair > _______________________________________________ > vwrap mailing list > vwrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap [attachment "smime.p7s" deleted by David W Levine/Watson/IBM] _______________________________________________ vwrap mailing list vwrap@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap
- [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area Dir… Barry Leiba
- Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area… Kari Lippert
- Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area… David W Levine
- Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area… Dzonatas Sol