Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still interested in LLSD or DSD?
Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com> Sat, 07 May 2011 15:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still interested in LLSD or DSD?
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We will certainly need to have a protocol negotiation handshake if we have any pretentions of being "extensible", and this negotiation phase needs to be present in all serializations, including binary ones. Carlo's advice about this is good. Version 1.0 for VWRAP needs to be as good as we can make it though, not the current LLSD spec which is clearly very limited. Knowingly keeping it inferior and immediately creating problems for everybody is a very poor way to proceed. I recommend that if you want LLSD/DSD unchanged from its current spec then you should publish it as an RFC, and avoid all these discussions. Here in VWRAP we have a far more onerous duty, which is to publish a *good* types spec. Morgaine. ==================== On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Meadhbh Hamrick <ohmeadhbh@gmail.com> wrote: > or... you could simply add a version tag to the contents of the LLSD. > so, an XML LLSD blob might look like: > > <?xml version="1.0"?> > <llsd> > <version>2</version> > ... > </llsd> > > and a json blob might look like > { > version: 2, > ... > } > > (though this example would require us to make the version element in a > map verboten.) > > -- > meadhbh hamrick * it's pronounced "maeve" > @OhMeadhbh * http://meadhbh.org/ * OhMeadhbh@gmail.com > > > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Dzonatas Sol <dzonatas@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 05/06/2011 09:18 AM, Joshua Bell wrote: > >> > >> As far as adding new types: I believe there was the belief that this > could > >> be accommodated by defining an "LLSD2" at some point in the future with > a > >> distinct MIME type for serializations (e.g. application/llsd2+xml); > unlike > >> the Web, content negotiation over HTTP was assumed to be functional > within > >> VWRAP interoperation. > > > > +1 > > > > Or, Content-Type: application/llsd+1+xml > > Or, Content-Type: application/llsd++xml > > Or, Content-Type: xml-ietf-vwrap/llsd+adt+extra > > > > ...etc, would work yet I believe - and + still are transient denotations > for > > with or without DTD, so... > > > > Content-Type: xml-ietf-vwrap/urn:[bank]:llsd.proxy.net:map,abstract,... > > > > Yes, LLSD as-is continues to work even without excessive headers. > > > > > > -- > > --- https://twitter.com/Dzonatas_Sol --- > > Web Development, Software Engineering, Virtual Reality, Consultant > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vwrap mailing list > > vwrap@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap > > > _______________________________________________ > vwrap mailing list > vwrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap >
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Dzonatas Sol
- [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD or … Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] ADT? is the group still interested in… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] ADT? is the group still interested in… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Vaughn Deluca
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Joshua Bell
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dahlia Trimble
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Meadhbh Hamrick
- [vwrap] Python integer types (was: The <embed> ta… Boroondas Gupte
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Meadhbh Hamrick
- [vwrap] Python integer types, again (was: The <em… Boroondas Gupte
- Re: [vwrap] Python integer types (was: The <embed… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] Python integer types, again (was: The… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Robert G. Jakabosky
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] The <embed> tag... is the group still… Dzonatas Sol