[vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Legacy Protocol discussion
David W Levine <dwl@us.ibm.com> Tue, 27 April 2010 21:42 UTC
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Subject: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Legacy Protocol discussion
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As always, food for thought, probably partly baked. Josh Linden's presentation on the Linden Legacy Protocol raises the possibility that a substantial number of operations currently managed by the Linden Labs client be viewed as "out of scope" for VWRAP and exposed as "there is a URI/URL which provides access to a service to perform this task." Thus rather than including a set of LLIDL messages which define how to set parcel permissions, you would associate a "Here is a URI to invoke to get to a UI about this parcel" I would argue this solves roughly 1/3 of the problem. It makes it very easy for a deployed to provide a customer user interface, and it nicely reduces the amount of work needed to describe a useful protocol. I also said 1/3 because I think it misses two things. First, it begs the question(s) "What cues are needed to let the client know where things happen" and second, it misses the need to expose the attributes these interfaces would manage in a programmatic fashion. Effectively, the first problem is one of asking "How do we overlay the scene graph with UI cues." The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of solving this problem elegantly. In particular, the obvious design "This portion of the scenegraph or this broad area of virtual space" has "This URI" to invoke for more information seems pretty straightforward. How to cue things like "parcel boundaries" and "Has this property" is a little less obvious, but a good solution would be well worth having. Notice that this also allows some potentially elegant integration points. One could expose custom web page UIs as associated with Vendors, Buildings, portions of the ground, or any part of the scenegraph. The second problem is also one worth solving, tho its more difficult. I think it falls into two or three parts. The easy bit, is again, the "cue" issue. In short, how does one find out that there *is* structured data or an API associated with some portion of virtual space. At one level, the temptation is to say the web solves this already, and blend it in with an overall scheme for associating URIs with each bit of virtual space or virtual item. I'm not sure this is sufficient, but I think it serves as a nice starting point. I think a small worked example would be helpful. This is intended to be fairly accurate, but clearly not more than a thought experiment. Posit a virtual space which wishes to expose an administrative interface which permits visitors with proper permission to change several parameters of the physics engine. The current model of things would require a cap and a custom bit of user interface, or user interface exposed via some "in world" hook, such as a prim exposing a web page, or a web page entirely disjoint from the inworld experience. Instead, we would provide a way for the region to advertize the existence of the service to the client. I am, for example, imagining either a capability exposed by the region, or a public URI/URL exposed by the client. (Whether the approach is fully web centric, or blended in with VWRAP style of capability access is clearly something worthy of discussion) The client, on arrival to the region, fetches the URI, using content negotiation and gets back a "cue" to display to the user that a service is available. (Content negotiation let web based internationalization and such simply happens) The cue is presented to the user as the client sees fit, and if it is invoked, an associated URI launches the user interface web service, which can be pre-fed with context, based on the user. Now, this is doubly inappropriate for a programmatic approach. We neither want to make programs screen scrape for content cues, nor do we want to present them with a nice pretty user interface to manipulate. Thus, a structured data path would be desirable. More on thinking about how regions and scenegraph can expose APIs for performing tasks in a future post - David ~ Zha
- [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Legacy… David W Levine
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… Lawson English
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… Hurliman, John
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… Richard Newhook
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… David W Levine
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… Hurliman, John
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… John Hurliman
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… David W Levine
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… Bill Windwalker
- Re: [vwrap] Some thoughts on Josh's Linden Lab Le… Suzy Deffeyes