Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area Director

Dzonatas Sol <dzonatas@gmail.com> Wed, 11 May 2011 16:24 UTC

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I think this quote is appropriate: "Does the land under our feet 
complain about what language we speak?"

For the first milestone, let one new straw-man take the stand.

On 05/11/2011 09:00 AM, David W Levine wrote:
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> I think this makes perfect, if sad sense. The (now deprecated) Charter 
> no longer reflects what is
> being done.
>
> As I recall from the distant past, a charter, roughtly needs:
>
> Some language setting a pretty clear scope, some language describing 
> the basic approach, and some concrete milestones.
>
> One way forward would be to work on a new charter. Another would be 
> for various people who have an interest to put out
> internet drafts on the ongoing mailing list to drive discussion. I 
> really think if people want to move the ball forward, one or
> the other or both, is required. There's clealy still some interest, 
> but it's not exactly focused.
>
> - David
>
> p.s. Finally back to full speed, full time typing, after a 3 month 
> down time due to carpal tunnel, surgery and recovery. You are
> all free to debate whether this is a good thing, or a bad thing.
>
>
>
> Inactive hide details for Peter Saint-Andre ---05/10/2011 10:25:55 
> PM---Thanks, Barry. Speaking as the Area Director responsiblPeter 
> Saint-Andre ---05/10/2011 10:25:55 PM---Thanks, Barry. Speaking as the 
> Area Director responsible for the VWRAP WG, I'd like to
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> Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>;
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> Thanks, Barry.
>
> Speaking as the Area Director responsible for the VWRAP WG, I'd like to
> make it fully clear that we plan to proceed as follows:
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> 1. Close the working group in its current instantiation
>
> 2. Keep the vwrap@ietf.org mailing list open
>
> 3. Continue discussions on the list
>
> The hope is that folks here can converge on a new direction, leading to
> formation of a new working group, or at least to publication of
> individual Internet-Drafts that provide a framwork for future efforts.
>
> Peter
>
> On 5/10/11 7:12 PM, Barry Leiba wrote:
> > I'm encouraged by Morgaine's assessment of the progress the group is
> > making in discussions. I like that it's taking a broader view,
> > looking toward interoperation among different virtual worlds. The
> > discussion of the technology is going in a good direction.
> >
> > Where it's going is to a very different place than what was set out in
> > the VWRAP charter. The IESG will need to re-evaluate the work when
> > the group has things grounded and can propose a new charter, for the
> > new direction. They'll need to see who's invested in the new work --
> > who will do the protocol design, who will take on the editing, and who
> > will give it the review it needs to be a good standard. In the
> > meantime, this mailing list is the right place for the discussion to
> > continue.
> >
> > The IESG will close out the current charter, and will leave the
> > mailing list open. Remember that the IETF gets most of its work done
> > on mailing lists, and not all of them are associated with current
> > working groups. There won't be chairs monitoring it... which means
> > that there won't be chairs bugging you about IETF process stuff, but
> > also that there won't be chairs nudging you along, so be careful not
> > to let that stall the work.
> >
> > I suggest that the group put its focus on converging on two initial 
> documents:
> >
> > 1. A new introduction and overview document, laying out what
> > problems/situations/scenarios you'll be addressing, how you'll go
> > about it, and what things will look like in the end. This should lead
> > directly to a proposal for a new charter.
> >
> > 2. A protocol requirements document, specifying what the protocol(s)
> > will have to do (and won't have to do). This will be a strong basis
> > for the protocol design, which could be done in that new working
> > group.
> >
> > Please keep this going. I hope we'll see a charter proposal for a new
> > working group fairly soon.
> >
> > Barry, as chair
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