Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP working group

[Peter Saint-Andre <[e-mail]>]

With my area director hat on:

a.) I like the idea of collaborative effort at a wiki. This lowers the
barriers to entry. A big +1.

b.) I'd prefer to see this happen at the official working group wiki:

    http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/vwrap/trac/wiki

The main factor here is the IETF's policy on contributions, a.k.a. "Note
Well"...

    http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html

I am not a lawyer, but I doubt that work happening at a wiki site
somewhere else is covered under "Note Well". The last thing we want is
ambiguity about copyrights and patents, so I strongly encourage folks to
do this work at the Trac URL I posted above.

To request login credentials, go here:

    http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/loginmgr/newlogin

Thanks!

Peter

On 1/19/11 2:01 PM, Morgaine wrote:
> The idea of putting this "pre-draft" on a wiki was not mine (the work
> was started by two other contributors).  I fully support the goal
> though:  to use a medium where lots of people can have input, even if
> it's just a single paragraph or just a word correction, so that the
> initial draft doesn't suffer the problem of inertia while massive
> changes are afoot.
> 
> It also overcomes the personalization issue that arises when drafts are
> tagged officially with a particular person's name.  Since this is being
> done as a collaborative effort, perhaps it would be fairer if some
> impartial party tags this initial draft of the "new" Intro instead. 
> We've suffered somewhat with draft personalization issues in the past.
> 
> Be that as it may, we have much work ahead of us to make this Intro a
> document that reflects the group's rough consensus of aspirations on
> interop, even for an initial draft.  We need more people to contribute
> some typing time.  Those who found the current draft lacking in respect
> of interop, this is your chance for change. :-)
> 
> 
> Morgaine.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ===========================
> 
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Barry Leiba <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
>     > As for timescales, we already started work on a new Intro in
>     October and
>     > November, as I described in my first email in this thread.  It was
>     being
>     > done informally, not as an official draft but as input to a
>     totally new
>     > draft.  It was not being done as a revision because the previous Intro
>     > simply did not meet key requirements for many contributors, as was
>     clear
>     > from the group's very intense discussions of September.
> 
>     Can you see if you can get it into reasonable shape to introduce
>     publicly, and then submit it as draft-morgaine-vwrap-intro-00 ?  That
>     would give people something concrete to work from.
> 
>     Barry
>