Re: [vwrap] one question
Cristina Videira Lopes <lopes@ics.uci.edu> Fri, 24 September 2010 15:12 UTC
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Let me go back to my original comments by reposting my original question: "Is VWRAP set up to develop protocols for interoperability between virtual worlds that, like these ones, use the web browser as the client?" John and Jonathan answered yes. Morgaine, Meadhbh and David gave ambiguous answers somewhere between yes and no. The answer to this question cannot be ambiguous, for the following reason. It has been stated here countless times that the goal of these standards is to define "mechanism, not policy". The current instantiation of VWRAP, as described in the drafts, goes deep into the realm of policy when a web browser is involved, as it prescribes that (a) the login procedure results in a seed capability sent to the client, which then invokes it to get more capabilities; and (b) assets are pulled by clients. Were these fundamental for interoperability of VWs on the Web, then we wouldn't have an option but to accept them. But they aren't. They are policies -- possible implementation options. I understand that for a client with a fixed viewer the situation is different: the viewer component doesn't change, so, for a fixed family of virtual worlds, we need to devise one single mechanism governing the client, the server, and the access to resources. But the Web is exactly this: hypermedia that includes programs. Hence my original review comment: you need to come clear with the specification of the client. It's ok to say that VWRAP is thought for clients with fixed viewers, and that clients with variable viewers -- like the web browser -- may want to follow these mechanisms because they are sensible, but they don't have to. It's not ok to mislead readers of these documents into thinking that VW interoperability on the Web MUST follow the mechanisms prescribed here (as they are now).
- [vwrap] one question Cristina Videira Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Jonathan Freedman
- Re: [vwrap] one question Hurliman, John
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine
- [vwrap] Fwd: one question Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] one question Cristina Videira Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question David W Levine
- [vwrap] End point "behavior" (was: one question) Boroondas Gupte
- Re: [vwrap] End point "behavior" (was: one questi… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] End point "behavior" (was: one questi… Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] End point "behavior" Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] End point "behavior" Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] one question kevin.tweedy
- Re: [vwrap] one question kevin.tweedy
- Re: [vwrap] one question Mike Dickson
- Re: [vwrap] End point "behavior" Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] End point "behavior" Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] one question kevin.tweedy
- Re: [vwrap] End point "behavior" Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] End point "behavior" Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] one question David W Levine
- [vwrap] Cautionary thought... David W Levine
- Re: [vwrap] one question Sean Hennessee
- Re: [vwrap] one question Meadhbh Hamrick
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] one question Cristina Videira Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question David W Levine
- [vwrap] Constructive Progress David W Levine
- Re: [vwrap] one question Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Mike Dickson
- Re: [vwrap] one question Hurliman, John
- Re: [vwrap] one question Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] one question Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] one question Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] one question Hurliman, John
- Re: [vwrap] one question Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Hurliman, John
- Re: [vwrap] one question Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] one question Hurliman, John
- Re: [vwrap] one question Sean Hennessee
- Re: [vwrap] one question Sean Hennessee
- Re: [vwrap] one question Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] one question Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] one question Crista Lopes
- Re: [vwrap] one question Morgaine