Re: [vwrap] Status and future of the VWRAP working group

[Peter Saint-Andre <[e-mail]>]

The IETF wiki spaces are rather free-form so far -- use them as you
wish. Have you created pages that are not yet linked from the main page
at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/vwrap/trac/wiki ?

On 1/21/11 8:11 AM, Morgaine wrote:
> Good advice there, thank you Peter.
> 
> I've made myself a login at the IETF wiki and am currently playing with
> markup in Trac's sandbox.  It seems very simple indeed, and clearly
> takes markup ideas from MediaWiki which is so very widely known.
> 
> Where would pre-drafts, outlines, and other auxiliary /  temporary
> documents go in the IETF wiki space?  (I haven't found a guidelines or
> best practices page on IETF wiki use yet, but will keep looking.)
> 
> 
> Morgaine.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ======================
> 
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Peter Saint-Andre <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
>     With my area director hat on:
> 
>     a.) I like the idea of collaborative effort at a wiki. This lowers the
>     barriers to entry. A big +1.
> 
>     b.) I'd prefer to see this happen at the official working group wiki:
> 
>        http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/vwrap/trac/wiki
> 
>     The main factor here is the IETF's policy on contributions, a.k.a. "Note
>     Well"...
> 
>        http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html
> 
>     I am not a lawyer, but I doubt that work happening at a wiki site
>     somewhere else is covered under "Note Well". The last thing we want is
>     ambiguity about copyrights and patents, so I strongly encourage folks to
>     do this work at the Trac URL I posted above.
> 
>     To request login credentials, go here:
> 
>        http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/loginmgr/newlogin
> 
>     Thanks!
> 
>     Peter
> 
>     On 1/19/11 2:01 PM, Morgaine wrote:
>     > The idea of putting this "pre-draft" on a wiki was not mine (the work
>     > was started by two other contributors).  I fully support the goal
>     > though:  to use a medium where lots of people can have input, even if
>     > it's just a single paragraph or just a word correction, so that the
>     > initial draft doesn't suffer the problem of inertia while massive
>     > changes are afoot.
>     >
>     > It also overcomes the personalization issue that arises when
>     drafts are
>     > tagged officially with a particular person's name.  Since this is
>     being
>     > done as a collaborative effort, perhaps it would be fairer if some
>     > impartial party tags this initial draft of the "new" Intro instead.
>     > We've suffered somewhat with draft personalization issues in the past.
>     >
>     > Be that as it may, we have much work ahead of us to make this Intro a
>     > document that reflects the group's rough consensus of aspirations on
>     > interop, even for an initial draft.  We need more people to contribute
>     > some typing time.  Those who found the current draft lacking in
>     respect
>     > of interop, this is your chance for change. :-)
>     >
>     >
>     > Morgaine.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
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>     >
>     > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Barry Leiba
>     <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>     > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >     > As for timescales, we already started work on a new Intro in
>     >     October and
>     >     > November, as I described in my first email in this thread.
>      It was
>     >     being
>     >     > done informally, not as an official draft but as input to a
>     >     totally new
>     >     > draft.  It was not being done as a revision because the
>     previous Intro
>     >     > simply did not meet key requirements for many contributors,
>     as was
>     >     clear
>     >     > from the group's very intense discussions of September.
>     >
>     >     Can you see if you can get it into reasonable shape to introduce
>     >     publicly, and then submit it as draft-morgaine-vwrap-intro-00
>     ?  That
>     >     would give people something concrete to work from.
>     >
>     >     Barry
>     >