Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area Director
Kari Lippert <kari.lippert@gmail.com> Wed, 11 May 2011 11:01 UTC
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From: Kari Lippert <kari.lippert@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area Director
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What Moargaine said :) Interesting idea about splitting... will that bring true progress, or only the illusion? Kari On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:00 AM, Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com>wrote: > Thank you, Barry and Peter. :-) > > It is sad to witness what amounts to the end of an era, but I think that > you have made the right decision. > > It probably became inevitable once it emerged that the intended goal at > time of chartering was not the one that most participants desired and > expected. A WG charter needs to be well aligned with the goals of its > people, or a rough consensus becomes unlikely. > > For my part, I intend to work towards the goals that you both outlined. > Whether we will be successful remains to be seen, and manpower is against > us. Perhaps we will need to split into more than one group to allow > progress to be made, because it has become very clear that there is a strong > disparity of goals between those who are content with existing protocols and > those who wish to design for a better tomorrow. This just saps everyone's > energy and wastes the little manpower we have available. > > As you are going to cease monitoring the mailing list in a chairing > capacity soon, I want to thank you both now for performing your IETF duties > very effectively and fairly for us over the past months and years, putting > up with our little arguments, smoothing the waters where needed, and keeping > us focused on the goals of an IETF WG. > > It has been a pleasure working with you both, and I hope that you won't shy > away from the occasional non-Chair visit to the list. Your advice is always > appreciated. > > Best regards :-) > > > Morgaine. > > > > ======================= > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>wrote: > >> Thanks, Barry. >> >> Speaking as the Area Director responsible for the VWRAP WG, I'd like to >> make it fully clear that we plan to proceed as follows: >> >> 1. Close the working group in its current instantiation >> >> 2. Keep the vwrap@ietf.org mailing list open >> >> 3. Continue discussions on the list >> >> The hope is that folks here can converge on a new direction, leading to >> formation of a new working group, or at least to publication of >> individual Internet-Drafts that provide a framwork for future efforts. >> >> Peter >> >> On 5/10/11 7:12 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: >> > I'm encouraged by Morgaine's assessment of the progress the group is >> > making in discussions. I like that it's taking a broader view, >> > looking toward interoperation among different virtual worlds. The >> > discussion of the technology is going in a good direction. >> > >> > Where it's going is to a very different place than what was set out in >> > the VWRAP charter. The IESG will need to re-evaluate the work when >> > the group has things grounded and can propose a new charter, for the >> > new direction. They'll need to see who's invested in the new work -- >> > who will do the protocol design, who will take on the editing, and who >> > will give it the review it needs to be a good standard. In the >> > meantime, this mailing list is the right place for the discussion to >> > continue. >> > >> > The IESG will close out the current charter, and will leave the >> > mailing list open. Remember that the IETF gets most of its work done >> > on mailing lists, and not all of them are associated with current >> > working groups. There won't be chairs monitoring it... which means >> > that there won't be chairs bugging you about IETF process stuff, but >> > also that there won't be chairs nudging you along, so be careful not >> > to let that stall the work. >> > >> > I suggest that the group put its focus on converging on two initial >> documents: >> > >> > 1. A new introduction and overview document, laying out what >> > problems/situations/scenarios you'll be addressing, how you'll go >> > about it, and what things will look like in the end. This should lead >> > directly to a proposal for a new charter. >> > >> > 2. A protocol requirements document, specifying what the protocol(s) >> > will have to do (and won't have to do). This will be a strong basis >> > for the protocol design, which could be done in that new working >> > group. >> > >> > Please keep this going. I hope we'll see a charter proposal for a new >> > working group fairly soon. >> > >> > Barry, as chair >> > _______________________________________________ >> > vwrap mailing list >> > vwrap@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> vwrap mailing list >> vwrap@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > vwrap mailing list > vwrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap > > -- http://kjlippert.wordpress.com/ http://community.webshots.com/user/MissGnomer
- [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area Dir… Barry Leiba
- Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area… Kari Lippert
- Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area… David W Levine
- Re: [vwrap] VWRAP, after discussion with the Area… Dzonatas Sol