Re: [webfinger] FW: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg-webfinger-08.txt

On 22 December 2012 00:32, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:

> Unless the Architecture of the WWW ( http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/) has
> been repealed, these are instances of URIs, whose function per rfc3986 is
> to Identify resources. I don't see how it could be any clearer.
>
> A good thing about WF is that it's just good basic Web stuff. No semantic
> castles in the sky required.
>

Totally agree, but perhaps for a moment forget AWWW, which, in imho. is an
incredible piece of work.

A URI is simply a global variable.  The benefit of a URI is that is it is
constant between heterogeneous systems.  Hence the Web.  As Tim once said,
"When you add global variables to some languages, they fall apart, when you
add them to hypertext, you get The Web"

There was one deep question discussed it the last decade, and that was:  is
it reasonably to divide a web page into a number of sections.  And the
decision (perhaps arbitrary) in AWWW, was, that yes it that would be
reasonable.   After much thought on the subject, I am also of the opinion
that, that is a reasonably approach.

 Im not really sure it's about castles in the sky, but rather, that if
different systems take an entitty/attribute/value approach with a global
naming scheme (ie the URI) we can strongly foster interop, and grow the
network effect for mutual benefit.

> On Dec 21, 2012 2:22 PM, "Kingsley Idehen" <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>
>>  On 12/21/12 4:38 PM, Tim Bray wrote:
>>
>> No. The I in URI stands for Identifier. URIs identify resources, that’s
>> what they’re for. -T
>>
>>
>> I know the "I" stands for "Identifier" but these "Identifiers" are being
>> used to "denote" entities (things), in this context.
>>
>> This subtle tweak has also been adopted in the Semantic Web discourse
>> realm (note latest RDF specs [1]) as a mechanism for adding clarity to the
>> function or URIs.
>>
>> Links:
>>
>> 1. http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html --
>> see how denotation with regards to the function of URIs .
>>
>> Kingsley
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Could this:
>>>
>>>  WebFinger is used to discover information about people or other
>>>    entities on the Internet that are identified by a URI [6] or IRI [7]
>>>    using standard Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) [2] methods over a
>>>    secure transport [14].
>>>
>>> become:
>>>
>>>  WebFinger is used to discover information about people or other
>>>    entities on the Internet that are *denoted* by a URI [6] or IRI [7].
>>> Actual information retrieval uses
>>>    standard Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) [2] methods over a
>>>    secure transport [14].
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
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>> Regards,
>>
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