Re: [webfinger] Vision for Webfinger - what are we doing?

Bob Wyman <bob@wyman.us> Fri, 01 November 2013 15:13 UTC

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Eric, you wrote:
"Webfinger is a standard way to attach information to an email address. "

This isn't really accurate. It would be much better written as: "Webfinger
provides a standard mechanism that can be used to associate data with an
email address."

it is essential to understand that Webfinger is useful for much more than
the single use-case you discuss.

bob wyman



On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Eric Mill <eric@konklone.com> wrote:

> I channeled this into a blog post, if anyone's interested:
>
> https://konklone.com/post/webfinger-gets-a-final-chance
>
> I imagine it's going to rankle some people who disagree with my prognosis
> that some things are dead, but it's how it feels from here. Webfinger needs
> rapid experimentation, high profile adoption, and the energy of the rest of
> the open web community.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Eric Mill <eric@konklone.com> wrote:
>
>> This is all helpful to hear, and I hope these all come to fruition,
>> especially OpenID Connect. I'll take a stab at setting up my own OpenID
>> Connect service on my domain and see how it feels.
>>
>> I guess it's inevitable that we have to hope the big companies make a
>> meaningful gesture, too. Giving Google's outdated Webfinger endpoint<https://gmail.com/.well-known/host-meta> for
>> Gmail a big update would be a great start.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Paul E. Jones <paulej@packetizer.com>wrote;wrote:
>>
>>>  Eric,
>>>
>>> OpenID is not entirely dead, yet.  I still run my own OpenID OP server
>>> and use it to log into some sites.  I still allow OpenID logins on
>>> forums.packetizer.com, too.  It's still in use, but the large sites
>>> just didn't have enough users using it, so they axed it.  On its heels,
>>> though, is now OpenID Connect and it will use WebFinger for discovery.  so,
>>> sure... push it :-)
>>>
>>> Personally, I can think of a lot of good uses for WebFinger:
>>> * When I log onto a web site, I want the site to grab my name an picture
>>> automatically.
>>> * If I want somebody to send me bitcoins, I'd much rather give them my
>>> email address (and I do have that in my WF account)
>>> * My contact info is published via WebFinger, so I don't have to give
>>> people a lot of info on a business card
>>> * WebFinger will hopefully be used as the starting point for
>>> auto-provisioning of email clients or other devices and applications where
>>> one has to enter server and port information
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/14/2013 11:21 PM, Eric Mill wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>>  I was at a hackathon<http://fedscoop.com/code-dc-calls-furloughed-feds/> today,
>>> and spent the day working on Webfinger libraries for Sinatra<https://github.com/konklone/sinatra-webfinger>and
>>> Jekyll <https://github.com/konklone/jekyll-webfinger>. It was really
>>> productive, but -- at the end of the day, a reporter was there asking
>>> everybody questions about their projects.
>>>
>>>  When he asked what Webfinger was for, I realized that the original
>>> easy-to-communicate killer app for Webfinger, easing universal login
>>> through OpenID, was<http://productblogarchive.37signals.com/products/2011/01/well-be-retiring-our-support-of-openid-on-may-1.html>
>>> dead <https://www.myopenid.com/>. The only thing I could think to say
>>> was "Remember OpenID? Before it died? Well, this is a piece of the puzzle
>>> to putting something like that back together again."
>>>
>>>  That didn't feel like a very impressive answer. So, now that OpenID is
>>> dead, what's the one line explanation for why Webfinger is important?
>>> What's the path forward to making Webfinger something people are
>>> incentivized to support?
>>>
>>>  Should we be pushing really hard to resuscitate OpenID via OpenID
>>> Connect? Do we just need to wait for internal lobbying inside of
>>> Google/Microsoft/Twitter/etc to pay off in some announcement? I know
>>> Webfinger supports more than email lookup -- is there some particular
>>> killer app people were envisioning when they lobbied for that feature?
>>>
>>>  I'm so happy there's finally an RFC, after so many years. I recognize
>>> how much work was put in to make that happen, and this shouldn't be taken
>>> as a criticism of anyone. I just want to know what others see for the
>>> future of Webfinger, and what I should do next.
>>>
>>>  -- Eric
>>>
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