Re: [Webpush] CALL FOR CONSENSUS: VAPID cut-and-paste protection
Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Fri, 18 August 2017 04:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Webpush] CALL FOR CONSENSUS: VAPID cut-and-paste protection
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On 18 August 2017 at 12:58, Phil Sorber <sorber@apache.org> wrote: > I believe the working group has already discussed adding such a mechanism > and rejected it (with citation to an email discussion or minutes reflecting > such discussion). We did consider options that don't have this unfortunate property. Client certificates were a strong contender. They would have been ideal if not for operational challenges. Here's the email that I think was pivotal on this subject: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/webpush/_qwcGCuDekERw5o31t0MjFJGTh8 Later there is also: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/webpush/poGnqtBFlFe3hpzvkiS3Rp5L94g There are yet more emails that follow on from this where we discuss scope of the token and relative costs. The first of those is here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/webpush/xrqo-LUb7mrPV6eF1xgyJoqMgCU I found the rest of thread instructive as a reminder of what happened, I had forgotten the details of this discussion. I didn't read meeting minutes, the above seems sufficient.
- [Webpush] CALL FOR CONSENSUS: VAPID cut-and-paste… Phil Sorber
- Re: [Webpush] CALL FOR CONSENSUS: VAPID cut-and-p… JR Conlin
- Re: [Webpush] CALL FOR CONSENSUS: VAPID cut-and-p… Costin Manolache
- Re: [Webpush] CALL FOR CONSENSUS: VAPID cut-and-p… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Webpush] CALL FOR CONSENSUS: VAPID cut-and-p… Phil Sorber
- Re: [Webpush] CALL FOR CONSENSUS: VAPID cut-and-p… Martin Thomson