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Re: [Webpush] Non-blocking comments on -05

Brian Raymor <Brian.Raymor@microsoft.com> Wed, 08 June 2016 20:45 UTC

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From: Brian Raymor <Brian.Raymor@microsoft.com>
To: RUELLAN Herve <Herve.Ruellan@crf.canon.fr>, "kcambridge@mozilla.com" <kcambridge@mozilla.com>, Costin Manolache <costin@gmail.com>
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Thanks to Herve for updating this - https://github.com/webpush-wg/webpush-protocol/pull/114

Kit - does the PR address your feedback below?

Costin raised a concern about this specific sentence:
  Each subscription set can then be managed independently, which might include being moved between user agents.

noting:

> BTW - I am also interested in the 'move between UA' use case, but I don't think there is enough implementation and data around it.

Does anyone else share this concern?

Thanks,
...Brian

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From: RUELLAN Herve [mailto:Herve.Ruellan@crf.canon.fr] 
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Cc: beverloo@google.com; Brian Raymor <Brian.Raymor@microsoft.com>om>; martin.thomson@gmail.com; webpush@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Webpush] Non-blocking comments on -05

Hi Kit,

On Thu, 2016-06-02 at 00:01 -0700, Kit Cambridge wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> First, I'd like to echo Peter's "thank you". I'm very grateful for all your work in putting this standard together and marshaling feedback, here and on GitHub! In addition to the comments from Peter, JR, and Hervé, I have a few questions and suggestions. None of them block the WGLC.
> 
> In section 4.1, I'm not clear what "unable to receive push messages that are aggregated for the lifetime of the subscription" means. If the UA is forwarding requests, could it still disaggregate messages sent to a subscription set before delivering them to the other clients?
> 

The use case here is that the user agent is acting as a proxy for
another client for monitoring a subscription. This can be for example a
camera using a mobile phone to monitor its subscription. The
subscription should be linked to the client and not the user agent to
allow the client to use another user agent as a proxy without changing
the subscription.

I just created a pull request for trying to make this use case clearer:
https://github.com/webpush-wg/webpush-protocol/pull/96

Cheers,

Hervé

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