Re: [Webpush] Delivery receipt may be sent before AS request delivery
Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Thu, 09 June 2016 01:06 UTC
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From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:06:38 +1000
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Subject: Re: [Webpush] Delivery receipt may be sent before AS request delivery
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For context: > Here may be a problem with push messages with a little value of TTL. Message may be sent to a UA and ack may be received from the UA before the AS will send a HTTP GET request to the receipt subscription resource. PS will retry delivering of receipt, but TTL may expire before this. > > To eliminate this problem it would be better to introduce separate resource for an AS: something like /subscribe for a UA, where AS may create a receipt subscription. We originally had the design you describe, but @brianraymor proposed a simpler design that accomplishes the same goals, providing that you recognize that a TTL shorter than the time it takes to poll the receipt subscription resource can result in losing the receipt. The only good solution to this general problem is to have a longer TTL. Even if you fix the "bug" you identified, a short TTL can expire between the time that the message is delivered to the user agent and before the acknowledgment can reach the push service. On 9 June 2016 at 09:07, Idel Pivnitskiy <idel.pivnitskiy@gmail.com> wrote: > Found out a problem with lost of delivery receipts for push messages with > little TTL, an issue was created: > > https://github.com/webpush-wg/webpush-protocol/issues/115 > > Best regards, > Idel Pivnitskiy > -- > Twitter: @idelpivnitskiy > GitHub: @idelpivnitskiy > > _______________________________________________ > Webpush mailing list > Webpush@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webpush >
- Re: [Webpush] Delivery receipt may be sent before… Idel Pivnitskiy
- Re: [Webpush] Delivery receipt may be sent before… Martin Thomson
- [Webpush] Delivery receipt may be sent before AS … Idel Pivnitskiy
- Re: [Webpush] Delivery receipt may be sent before… Brian Raymor