Re: [Webpush] Receipt subscription follow-up

Brian Raymor <Brian.Raymor@microsoft.com> Thu, 28 April 2016 00:51 UTC

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Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 28 April 2016 at 10:29, Brian Raymor <Brian.Raymor@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> PS can already rate control an AS:

> This was about the reverse, having rate control on the delivery of
> receipts to the AS.  It's possible that a PS could overwhelm an AS
> with these.

I understand - my point is that the AS is creating its own problem. It's requesting
too many push messages with receipts and then failing to scale when receiving the
receipts from the PS. In this case, the AS needs to be encouraged by the PS to slow
down its rate of requests that are generating those receipts.