Re: [websec] draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning

Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 27 August 2014 10:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [websec] draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning
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On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:53 AM, Ryan Sleevi <sleevi@google.com> wrote:

> This seems like it would meaningfully necessitate changes to the security and privacy considerations. In these cases, in specs and in code, my feeling is that less is more desirable, and I agree with Joe's remarks about whether or not PKP-RO meets the goals.
> 
> Chairs, can you provide feedback on how to progress  with such significant changes based on post-WGLC feedback: either the removal of or the changing definition of PKP-RO.
> 
I thought I did, but to re-iterate: We are past WGLC. More importantly, we are past IETF LC, and in the middle of IESG evaluation.

At this stage, we can make editorial changes, but we cannot make significant changes on our own. We can withdraw the request to publish, and take it back to the working group, but I think that would be inadvisable.

I think we should proceed, making only editorial changes, and changes resulting from discussion with IESG members.

Yoav
(with chair hat on)