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Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Wed, 31 July 2019 13:49 UTC

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+1. 

Naming things is hard, but when they're generic and confusable with other things, it's worth the pain.


> On 29 Jul 2019, at 11:53 pm, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> wrote:
> 
> I think Eliot's question shows that "WebTransport" may greatly benefit 
> from a better name (or acronym).
> 
> Regards,   Martin.
> 
> P.S.: I already subscribed to the list.
> 
> On 2019/07/30 06:32, Victor Vasiliev wrote:
>> Hi Eliot,
>> 
>> WebTransport is roughly "WebSockets, but for unreliable transport",
>> currently described in
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vvv-webtransport-overview-00 and
>> https://wicg.github.io/web-transport/.  It's not related to BCP 190
>> discussion that happened at the other portion of ARTAREA meeting.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>>   Victor.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 5:29 PM Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Victor,
>>> 
>>> Sorry if this has been covered, but for those of us out of the room, could
>>> you provide two or three sentences as to what the mailing list is supposed
>>> to cover?  Is this more BCP 190 stuff or something more generic or just
>>> something else?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Eliot
>>> 
>>> On 29 Jul 2019, at 22:58, Victor Vasiliev <
>>> vasilvv=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> Judging from the in-person discussions in Montreal, there appears to be a
>>> decent amount of interest in the WebTransport work.  Everyone interested is
>>> invited to join our mailing list:
>>> 
>>>   https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webtransport
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>>   Victor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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