Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTransport protocols
Ian Swett <ianswett@google.com> Tue, 12 January 2021 17:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTransport protocols
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I support this consensus. I do have concerns about the complexity of different types of pooling, but I'm sure we'll discuss those in the future. On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:26 PM David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi WebTransport enthusiasts, > > Today we had an interim of the IETF WEBTRANS WG, > where we reached consensus in the (virtual) room on > the following questions: > > Question 1: number of protocols > Should the working group adopt only one UDP-based transport? > 1A: only one transport (QUIC or HTTP/3) > 1B: multiple transports (QUIC and HTTP/3) > > The consensus was option 1A. > > Additionally, we noted that this does not preclude us from > building a second protocol at a later date if new information > emerges. > > Question 2: UDP-based protocols > Which UDP-based option should we adopt as a starting > point for WebTransport protocol? > 2A: WebTransport over HTTP/3 > 2B: WebTransport over QUIC directly (separate ALPN) > > The consensus was option 2A. > > Additionally, we discussed pooling and decided that we would > not allow pooling in WebTransport over HTTP/3 for now, due > to the complexities of pooling. > > We'd like to confirm this consensus on the list. If you disagree > with these points, please reply on the list. If you do so, please > state how strongly you feel - whether you are expressing a > preference, or an imperative. Please also provide as much > detail as possible to explain your position. Please also respond > if you support this consensus - a simple "I support this consensus" > email to the list would be helpful. > > We'll be running this consensus call for two weeks, please reply > before 2021-01-26, the chairs will determine consensus on that date. > > Thanks, > David > -- > Webtransport mailing list > Webtransport@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webtransport >
- [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTranspo… David Schinazi
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Ian Swett
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Alan Frindell
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Eric Kinnear
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Luke Curley
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Morten V. Pedersen
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… David Schinazi
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Ian Swett
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Lucas Pardue
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Alan Frindell
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Jana Iyengar
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Victor Vasiliev
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Yutaka Hirano
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Ian Swett
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… David Schinazi
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Lucas Pardue
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… David Schinazi
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Ian Swett
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Alan Frindell
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Eric Kinnear
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… Alexandre GOUAILLARD
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… David Schinazi
- Re: [Webtransport] Confirming Consensus on WebTra… David Schinazi