[weirds] Lookups vs Searches (was Re: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt)
Francisco Arias <francisco.arias@icann.org> Fri, 04 May 2012 00:29 UTC
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Subject: [weirds] Lookups vs Searches (was Re: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt)
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In the context of queries, the complexity starts when we talk about searches as opposed to lookups. Perhaps we should separate those in two different drafts. The lookup specification (draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query) already specifies a simple lookup mechanism for each object. I think it should stay that way. The search specification (no I-D yet) would specify how to do searches that involve multiple search parameters and returns multiple objects (perhaps it should return references to objects). For example we could have something like: /dnrd-ap/search/host/by?ip=1.2.3.4 /dnrd-ap/search/domain/by?registrant_id=ABC123&nameserver=ns.foo.bar What search parameters a registry/registrar supports over each object, or whether it implements searches at all, will be a registry/registrar's policy-maker decision. Thoughts? __ Francisco. On 5/1/12 10:19 AM, "Andy Newton" <andy@hxr.us> wrote: > >On May 1, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Dave Piscitello wrote: > >> So we're clear, this increases the likelihood that other >>implementations than registry/registrar might extend the protocol in >>non-uniform manners. Would be nice to avoid but I'm not going to fall on >>my sword on this issue in this working group. > >Nobody knows if it increases the likelihood, but the probability of >protocol extensions is there any way. If we attempt to throw every >feature into the protocol now in fear of not being able to add extensions >later, then it is gonna be really difficult to get the first revision out >the door and thus will validate the fears of some of the critics of this >work. > >Maybe we should keep a list of features desired but not for the first >pass. Often the more complex use cases are clarified after an initial go >round with the base features. > >-andy >_______________________________________________ >weirds mailing list >weirds@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds
- [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Andy Newton
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Francisco Obispo
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Byron Ellacott
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… John Levine
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… John Levine
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… James Mitchell
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Antoin Verschuren
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Andy Newton
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Patrick Vande Walle
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Don Blumenthal
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Michael Young
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Michael Young
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Andy Newton
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Arturo Servin
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Arturo Servin
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Kaveh Ranjbar
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… John R. Levine
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… John R. Levine
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… SM
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Antoin Verschuren
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Andy Newton
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Arturo Servin
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Arturo Servin
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Arturo Servin
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Byron Ellacott
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… John Levine
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Linlin Zhou
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Ray Bellis
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Patrick Vande Walle
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… John Levine
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Eric Brunner-Williams
- [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re: I-… Francisco Arias
- [weirds] Lookups vs Searches (was Re: I-D Action:… Francisco Arias
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Marc Blanchet
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Peter Koch
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] Lookups vs Searches (was Re: I-D Act… Gavin Brown
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Marc Blanchet
- Re: [weirds] Lookups vs Searches (was Re: I-D Act… Arturo Servin
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Arturo Servin
- [weirds] Query Parameters Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Ray Bellis
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [weirds] Lookups vs Searches (was Re: I-D Act… Andy Newton
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Andy Newton
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Andy Newton
- Re: [weirds] Lookups vs Searches (was Re: I-D Act… Luis Diego Espinoza S.
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Andy Newton
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] Lookups vs Searches (was Re: I-D Act… Hugo Salgado
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… John Levine
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… John Levine
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters John Levine
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Francisco Arias
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Francisco Arias
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Steve Sheng
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Frederico A C Neves
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Antoin Verschuren
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Antoin Verschuren
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles Jim Galvin
- Re: [weirds] Lookups vs Searches (was Re: I-D Act… Jim Galvin
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Eric Brunner-Williams