Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt
Antoin Verschuren <antoin.verschuren@sidn.nl> Tue, 01 May 2012 08:18 UTC
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01-05-12 04:46, John Levine wrote: > > For a name registry or registrar, I'd be thrilled to get a list of > name servers they know about that resolve to that IP. A common > bad guy trick is to register a bunch of names, stick them all on > the same servers, but use a different subdomain name for each one, > e.g. foo.biz has name server ns1.foo.biz and bar.biz has > ns1.bar.biz , but they're really the same IP. Before people are getting too wet erotic area's, I think the request is not about names. For a names registry, only forward lookups are permitted, so query a name, and get back IPs'. Querying for an IP and getting back names from a names registry is, although perhaps technically viable, not permitted by at least European database law. I can imagine that it's cool info though, I would certainly like a query for a postal code and get a list of all Internet resources listed at that physical address. Great marketing info, but not the info a registry is supposed to deliver. The IP query is for RIR's I suppose. They deliver IP blocks, so querying for an IP there will give you their registration data for that block. No reverse search. The ID search is something registrars indeed sometimes use to see if the object that exists in their internal DB still exist in the registries DB so they link the correct objects. But also here, it's only a forward object search, no information on what other objects are linked to it in the registry DB. Or to give an example: I want to know when registering a new object if my role-object in the registry DB is still correct, so I query for it by object-ID, that I know by heart or is in my own administration. I then only get back that object, and not all the resources that it is used in. - -- Antoin Verschuren Technical Policy Advisor SIDN Meander 501, PO Box 5022, 6802 EA Arnhem, The Netherlands P: +31 26 3525500 F: +31 26 3525505 M: +31 6 23368970 mailto:antoin.verschuren@sidn.nl xmpp:antoin@jabber.sidn.nl http://www.sidn.nl/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPn5ySAAoJEDqHrM883AgnkosIAM1JQE8FE4QSLPy0/hZOiC13 pLYr62vN6FZ4KINLHHqrwkvGO97exen8EV/1wG3f8bPNkbZE1104pWJVqh//YSFq 7lH7aCPhi6aZH0hbtNe0HPO8/FLDEfucElqsevsRR/NdarqQ2Ahd+7ul4pCUB3zY R8x4/9MjGaUqpcOx3tglXFqb3sU/W0oFUrIfMwXklI0B7GpcbEvOj3ul1yqYSRmi H0X6vskeo+LmuYXgjWg98JRhdx/Z/s2/WA8A7g0zw8MV3yvQMs1gbrRFu/gZ/KIi GaAU5iTkTool9bggA1vPWWgIxEbkzjt69YSNeAiajW1iKa/tjOeJw2HAmBiTHiA= =TQ+5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Andy Newton
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Francisco Obispo
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- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Byron Ellacott
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… John Levine
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… John Levine
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- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… James Mitchell
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Antoin Verschuren
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Andy Newton
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- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Arturo Servin
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Arturo Servin
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Kaveh Ranjbar
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- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… John R. Levine
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… SM
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Dave Piscitello
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Antoin Verschuren
- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Murray S. Kucherawy
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- Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap… Eric Brunner-Williams
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- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… John Levine
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… John Levine
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters John Levine
- Re: [weirds] Scope and guiding principles (was Re… Francisco Arias
- Re: [weirds] Query Parameters Francisco Arias
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