Re: Turning off Etherpad

[Robert Sparks <[e-mail]>]

On 8/10/21 8:27 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> My understanding was always that etherpad was a best-effort, ephemeral service; i.e., there was no guarantee (implicit or explicit) of stability or availability. That's probably the right policy, given that there able to be edited by *anyone on the Internet*.

This has always been the expectation of both etherpad, and codimd. While 
we work to keep these notepads available for as long as we can, things 
that should stay around "forever" should be captured in artifacts, like 
minutes, that end up in meeting proceedings.

>
> We might consider a somewhat more formal and explicit policy on service stability and availability (on a service-by-service basis), so that folks aren't surprised by this in the future. E.g., the W3C has:
>    https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Persistence
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 11:24 am, Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> So, what is he plan for archiving etherpad.ietf.org ?
>> Can/will the be made read-only/no new data ?
>>
>> Or is all that content that may still have URLs in emails and other places
>> pointing to it deemed to be lost except for the subset of pages that
>> where converted into IETF meeting minuts by WG chairs ?
>>
>> If all this content is meant to be lost because it is too difficult to
>> change to read-only, is this the same strategy for codimd ? Aka:
>> if you do not save it, it will be lost at some point in time ?
>>
>> If converting to read-only is too difficult, maybe the whole tree
>> can just be put up for download as a tar file for any future researchers...
>> However, i am not sure if all the content is meant to be public, or if
>> we did assume some degree of possible confidentiality because of non-searchable
>> namespace.
>>
>> Btw: I think it would be great if codimd would solve these issues:
>> You can only create new names under whatever.ietf.org/2021/<your-string-here>
>> and after 2 years the whole years directory tree turns read-only with
>> indexing/search...
>>
>> Cheers
>>     Toeless
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 06:05:34PM -0700, Fred Baker wrote:
>>> People use it in recording our minutes. Losing it would be unfortunate.
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Robert Sparks <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Chairs -
>>>>
>>>> We are making plans to turn down etherpad.ietf.org in a few weeks. Let me know of any concerns or need for delay.
>>>>
>>>> RjS
>>>>
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