RE: Automatic Minutes Generation
Xipengxiao <xipengxiao@huawei.com> Sun, 12 October 2025 09:37 UTC
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From: Xipengxiao <xipengxiao@huawei.com>
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, Working Group Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Automatic Minutes Generation
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Hi Eric, Thank you for the tool. I will give it a try in IETF 124. I really think all WGs should try to use AI to increase efficiency. In IETF 123 I also tried ChatGPT o3 for producing meeting minutes from the transcript. It’s generally good but there is one hallucination so in the end I still used the human version. But as you said, asking a person to take the minutes really adds to his/her burden, and the result is not much better than ChatGPT’s output. The only benefit of a human minutes is I can be sure that there is no hallucination. Just curious, did your tool do anything beyond using an AI LLM to summarize the transcript? XiPeng From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 4:03 AM To: Working Group Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org> Subject: PSA: Automatic Minutes Generation Hi Chairs, Like many of you, I've long been unsatisfied with the situation around IETF minute taking, in which we conscript someone into taking minutes, thus preventing them from fully participating, and often with mediocre results. In an attempt to partly address this situation, I've put together an automatic minutes generator at (https://ietfminutes.org/) The site takes as input the Meetecho transcript and produces AI-generated minutes. I've gone back and made minutes through IETF 112 (November 2021) and I plan to produce minutes for IETF 124 (Montreal) once transcripts are available, shortly after the meeting. Hopefully others will find this useful. -Ekr P.S. I'm not a WG chair, so you should make sure to keep me on CC if you want a response.
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