Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival
"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Thu, 16 September 2021 23:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, Working Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>, tools-discuss <tools-discuss@ietf.org>
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To amplify Michael's point and respond to a couple of others... 1) These are draft notes. They are likely to be wrong. If we archive them, we may be archiving information that is false to fact. That is why chairs / WG Secretaries review minutes before posting, and then ask the WG to review them as well. We should not expect the leadership to maintain two sets of accurate minutes. So getting rid of the draft is good. 2) If folks want to use the tools for something else, great. But that does not create an obligation on the IETF to make the tool behave differently. If there is some other use case that is needed, either use some other tool, or convince the IETF that we need a tool to support the use case you have. Yours, Joel On 9/16/2021 3:50 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> wrote: > > The IETF already archives mail messages and Internet drafts. How hard > > would it be to archive notes and minutes? After all, this texts are > > part of the standard making process, covered by the Note Well, etc. > > Sure, just upload them as minutes to the DT, and it gets archived already. > > For now, WG chairs need to do that, which also means that they have an > opportunity to review the conent. > > A significant annoyance is that we don't have a standard markdown across all our > content archives. > >
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Mark Nottingham
- Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Christian Huitema
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Michael Richardson
- RE: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Larry Masinter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Tero Kivinen
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Christian Huitema
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.… Carsten Bormann
- RE: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Qin Wu
- Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.… Carsten Bormann
- RE: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Qin Wu
- Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.… tom petch
- Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Lloyd W
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Lloyd W
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … David Noveck
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Carsten Bormann