Re: [irsg] Chat comments for the record...

[Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]>]

Top-posting to say that I agree a lot with Carsten here.

I try not to be a note-taker these days (because I'm just not as good at it
as I used to be), but I remember taking notes on "what was going on in the
meeting" while watching the discussion in chat/jabber and thinking "that's
where the real discussion is happening".

It's likely that different people will have different experiences with
this, based on participation in different working groups, but I've been in
meetings where someone was presenting in the meeting, and discussion on
aspects of that presentation was still taking place 15 minutes later in
chat/jabber. So, in the meetings where I hang out, merging based on
timestamps doesn't work, because we're two presentations out of sync
between the meeting and the chat/jabber.

I think that's especially likely for BOFs and side meetings (and, yes, I've
offered my own working group's jabber logs as a place to exchange thoughts
for an unrelated side meeting - my working group wasn't using it at the
time, and rarely if ever does).

I applaud the dedication of chairs and secretaries who go to the effort of
cleaning up the chat/jabber conversations for inclusion in the minutes, but
at their best, some chat/jabber conversations are WELL worth including,
even in raw form.

IMO, of course. Do The Right Thing.

Best,

Spencer

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 4:34 PM Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]> wrote:

> On 2022-03-31, at 20:14, Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > suggest to the WG participants to directly write suggestions that they
> > would like to be on the record (when they cannot/wantnot make them
> > on the microphone), not (only) into the chat, but directly
> > into the notes.ietf.org notes as they are being taken.
>
> That is such a great idea that we have been doing this in interims, design
> team meetings etc. for quite a while now.
>
> I sometimes do that when touristing in WGs where I’m not as familiar with
> the current customs; this may seem a bit jarring to people who think that a
> minutes document cannot contain things that haven’t been said.
>
> So it would be good to make this part of the etiquette, and maybe develop
> a notation convention for things that have not (yet) been said.  In
> particular, people who are going to make a comment at the microphone might
> want to write up their comment in the notes before that so the note-takers
> don’t have to do this in real-time.
>
> Grüße, Carsten
>
>