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Re: IETF meat grinder

Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> Tue, 04 October 2022 15:08 UTC

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Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:
    > In the MLS WG, which is similarly 95% not habitual IETF offenders, we have
    > proceeded mainly by doing work in the style the folks doing the work are
    > used to doing, and accommodating the IETF to the degree necessary.

Yes, so that exactly the situation.
We have a small group, and we are working in the way that they are
habituated, but I expect that there is an audience of tourists who are not
github or IETF people.

    > Your subject line, "IETF meat grinder" seems like the wrong approach -- we
    > as insiders should not be subjecting/inuring newcomers to the process, we
    > should be making it easy to participate while meeting the IETF's goals of
    > transparency / consensus / etc.

Uhm, so my goal is to explain the parts of the process which are IETF things,
and which parts are github things.

it's an allusion to seeing how the sausage is made, not about grinding
people, btw.

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