Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Fri, 17 September 2021 02:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival
From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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On 2021-09-17, at 01:40, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
> 
> 2) If folks want to use the tools for something else, great.  But that does not create an obligation on the IETF to make the tool behave differently.  If there is some other use case that is needed, either use some other tool, or convince the IETF that we need a tool to support the use case you have.

Joel,

You are falling prey to an availability bias here.

You have only ever been using that tool for minutes, so you think the tool needs to be changed to more closely follow some random thinking about minutes.
I don’t care that much whether the IETF destroys its draft minutes, because I do know to back up those drafts that I’ll likely need.

But leading this discussion in complete disregard for the other uses of this tool is exactly the kind of “I don’t understand this, so let’s break it” thinking that has recently become so characteristic of IETF process discussions.

Grüße, Carsten