RE: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work (was: Re: Chair/datatracker tracking expired WG documents ?)
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Subject: RE: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work (was: Re:
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Hello Rich The piece that's still confusing in the reference to BCP 9 is whether and where the original text from RFC 2026 that is still currently quoted on the IETF site was amended. Removing from the latest online version is not the same thing as if it was never there. People looking that text up on the internet have a good chance to find one of the TAO RFCs and live with it, or get stuck like I am searching through BCP 9, none of which particularly satisfying. The trouble: since RFC 2026, a lot happened in https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/bcp9. I tried to find if the text was amended somewhere but got lost. This is a situation where our own "update" work becomes quite opaque till we finally "obsolete" to retrofit. The IEEE has an interesting maintenance practice for that. So no, I do not think that removing is enough. Since the quote was there, we probably have to maintain an up-to-date state there too. Keep safe; Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> > Sent: mardi 29 mars 2022 23:48 > To: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com>om>; Brian E Carpenter > <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>om>; Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > <pthubert@cisco.com>om>; Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>om>; Joel Halpern Direct > <jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com> > Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org; rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > Subject: Re: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work (was: Re: > Chair/datatracker tracking expired WG documents ?) > > > These couple of sentences in the Tao are actually from RFC2026 and about > the transient state of I-Ds. > > In fact, the current version of the Tao (maintained at > https://github.com/ietf/tao) doesn't have that language, but instead just > points to BCP 9. Phrases like "work in progress" are also removed, pointing > to BCP 9. > > We only just finished editing/merging before IETF 113, and there wasn't time > to update the website. Please take a look at the GitHub repo and see if the > language there needs to be fixed. > > I think Valery's point got lost :( >
- 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work (was… 'Toerless Eckert'
- Re: 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work … 'Toerless Eckert'
- Re: [rfc-i] ****SPAM**** Re: 3rd party SDO cross-… Salz, Rich
- RE: 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work … Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work … Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: [rfc-i] ****SPAM**** Re: 3rd party SDO cross-… 'Toerless Eckert'
- Re: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rfc-i] Re: 3rd party SDO cross-referencing o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [irsg] [rfc-i] Re: 3rd party SDO cross-refere… Melinda Shore
- RE: [rfc-i] Re: 3rd party SDO cross-referencing o… BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
- Re: [rfc-i] Re: 3rd party SDO cross-referencing o… Keith Drage
- RE: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
- Re: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Salz, Rich
- Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF … Robert Sparks
- Re: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Normatively referencing I-Ds. (Re: [rfc-i] 3rd pa… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Salz, Rich
- Re: Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF … Salz, Rich
- Re: Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF … Joel M. Halpern
- RE: Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF … Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF … Salz, Rich
- Re: Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF … Tim Wicinski
- Re: Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF … Salz, Rich
- Re: Normatively referencing I-Ds. (Re: [rfc-i] 3r… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rfc-i] Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing … Robert Sparks
- Re: [rfc-i] Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing … Niels ten Oever
- Re: [rfc-i] Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing … Salz, Rich
- RE: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Salz, Rich
- Re: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: [rfc-i] 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IE… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)