Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Group Last Calls from the datatracker
Jon Geater <jon.geater@datatrails.ai> Fri, 26 September 2025 22:59 UTC
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From: Jon Geater <jon.geater@datatrails.ai>
To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>, "wgchairs@ietf.org" <wgchairs@ietf.org>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Group Last Calls from the datatracker
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Sorry for being slow, but how can it be a surprise to Chairs that one of their documents is moving to WGLC? Or an email about it (should it be true) be controversial? — Jon Geater ________________________________ From: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2025 5:12 pm To: wgchairs@ietf.org <wgchairs@ietf.org>; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org> Subject: Possible modification to issuing Working Group Last Calls from the datatracker The recent change to the datatracker to send email as a side effect of putting a document in working group last call (or call for adoption issued) surprised several chairs, and requests have been made to make it obvious that mail is about to be sent, and allow that mail to be edited before sending. See https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/9439 I have a proposal for a change to the workflow to allow this. It's currently running at: https://dt-issuewglc.dev.ietf.org That's a development instance - remember that your passwords there are all literally "password", and that anything you do there won't _actually_ send any email or make any change at all to the production datatracker database. Please experiment with the workflow for issuing wglc for documents in your WGs - start with the edit button next to stream state - the rest is hopefully self explanatory. If this approach resonates well, I'll do the same thing to issuing call for adoption. (The proposed code changes are at https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/pull/9616) RjS
- Possible modification to issuing Working Group La… Robert Sparks
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Rifaat Shekh-Yusef
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Bob Hinden
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Robert Sparks
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Jon Geater
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Michael Richardson
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Robert Sparks
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Bob Hinden
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Pete Resnick
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Benoit@everything-ops.net
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Robert Sparks
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Bob Hinden
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Tero Kivinen
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Sean Turner
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Sean Turner
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: Possible modification to issuing Working Grou… Wassim Haddad