Re: IETF Git and GitHub tutorial

Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> Tue, 15 October 2019 17:20 UTC

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Comments: In-reply-to Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> message dated "Sun, 13 Oct 2019 12:37:43 +0200."
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Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
    >> So, I care less about making it easy for reviewers to be able make
    >> pull-requests.  I significantly prefer that non-design-team members bring
    >> their issues to the mailing list, and that they "send text" that way.

    > As a draft author, I deeply love pull requests — sure, substantive text
    > should go through discussions, but after 67 instances of:
    > O: “In other words it is better...”
    > P: “In other words, it is better...”
    > C: Nit - you are missing a comma.

Yes, I totally agree with you here.
Such editorial nit pull requests can be done in many ways, and they simply
don't need WG attention at all.  Use the technology here.  The design team
ultimately decides when/if/how to process things.

While I applaud QUIC's ability to live in github issues (and the CELLAR WG
does almost as well), I think that for a large number of WGs, the
non-design-team members are simply not git-clueful enough (on average).

The lack of a complete web-based workflow (the missing git rebase step) means
it's just better not to do that.

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