Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey

"Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com> Mon, 02 September 2024 21:13 UTC

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From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 17:13:20 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
To: Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>, Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>
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Jay et al,

It would be great if there was some way to correlate the chat with the
presentations. Perhaps an easy way to implement this would be whenever the
chair loads a new presentation from the prestored list, that
auto-generates a new line in the chat indicating which presentation was
loaded. That would really help minute takers to later incorporate the chat
comments into the proper place in the minutes. Just a thought.

Cheers,
Andy


On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 1:17 PM Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I am terrible at standing in the mic line so I can agree with Michael on
> this.
>
> Also, there is an oddity with the Zulip logs.  On the meeting material
> pages, the link will send you the JSON blob:
>
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/120/materials/chatlog-120-dnsop-202407251830-00
>
> But I found (willing to bet Robert pointed it out to me) a much nicer
> formatted version of the chat log:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/chatlog-120-dnsop-202407221530/
>
>
> tim
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 1:09 PM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think that most WGs do a good job of having someone monitor the chat,
>> and
>> when things do need to get to mic, that happens.  Clarification questions,
>> which can be answered by other people, are significantly useful.  Not only
>> does it not take time away from the presenter, but it also might show
>> whether
>> the document has been reviewed, and by who.
>>
>> It would be useful if Jay could dig further into who complained, and which
>> WGs for which this was a problem, and how new, middle or ?old? the people
>> are.
>>
>> Secondly, going to the MIC can be a scary process; particularly for some
>> neurodivegent people.  Asking the question in chat has a much lower bar.
>>
>> Finally, for those who are not physically present, the chat is a useful
>> and
>> significant way to connect to other participants.  For remote attendees,
>> arranging windows in the right places is not hard.  I think that for many
>> people, their "window manager" makes it hard for them to have any windows
>> which aren't full screen, and frankly...<shuts up here>
>> I think that it is the people who are trying to run meetecho on their
>> laptop with the built-in client who are having problems.  The answer is to
>> use the zulip web client.
>>
>> --
>> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting
>> )
>>            Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>