Re: System generated chat messages during WG sessions

[Aaron Parecki <[e-mail]>]

I find it extremely helpful to have at least a division in the chat between
presentations. I've sometimes done this manually for meetings I'm in,
typing out a row of "---------" and then the new presentation name. Even
when live, just trying to scroll back up through the chat can be
challenging to see when you've reached the top of the chat for the current
session, so these markers can be helpful. I agree that noting every slide
change would be a bit overkill though.



On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:47 PM Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 05, 2024 at 03:05:01PM -0400, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> > Toerless,
> >
> > If the autogenerated messages are in the chat and you don't like them,
> it's
> > really easy to run the chat through a text filter to get rid of them.
>
> My point was that the auto-generated messages belong into the
> transcription track of the
> youtube video. That's where you'd search for them and click on them to get
> to a particular part of
> the recording.
>
> The chat is already messsy enough as it stands. Unless we really need to
> have information in it
> as we did in the past for audio-only participants, i don't think we
> shouldhave this additional
> metadata in it.
>
> Cheers
>     Toerless
>
> > Cheers,
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 3:00 PM Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Sep 05, 2024 at 02:28:59PM -0400, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> > > > Toerless,
> > > >
> > > > There are people that like to read the chat, or incorporate the chat
> into
> > > > the minutes, without having to watch the entire video.
> > >
> > > That's fine. Nothing i proposed argues against it. I just don't want
> the
> > > chat to be cluttered
> > > with information about the actual primary meeting track - especially
> > > because i do not want
> > > to kill off asynchronous chat discuss that's explicitly NOT in-sync
> with
> > > th primary WG
> > > track.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >     Toerless
> > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:58 PM Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My 22cents:
> > > > >
> > > > > I would not like for the chat to be scattered by this metadata
> because
> > > we
> > > > > should already
> > > > > have an actual metadata stream in the videos: the CC (close caption
> > > > > track). AFAIK, all
> > > > > IETF recordings on youtube have it. Seemingly some are done
> > > manual/better,
> > > > > most are
> > > > > automatic (suck rocks - especially with non native speakers).
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyhow: What the IETF tooling team seemingly does not do right is
> to
> > > > > enable the youtube
> > > > > transcription feature from this CC track. When i go to most other
> > > > > (non-IETF) videos
> > > > > with CC, then i can click on "Show Transcript" at the bottom of the
> > > > > youtube description.
> > > > > This will then pop up the transcript - and then you can
> scroll/search
> > > and
> > > > > jump to specific
> > > > > transcript points.
> > > > >
> > > > > Seems obvious to me, that we would want any section markers like
> > > > > slides/presentations/speakers
> > > > > on the microphone to be in this transcription track.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course: If youtube allows multiple tracks, then it would be
> fine to
> > > > > also include the
> > > > > chat as a secondary caption track. But let's not consider it to be
> a
> > > > > primary track
> > > > > for the session recording.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >     Toerless
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 05, 2024 at 12:42:37PM +0100, Jay Daley wrote:
> > > > > > Starting a new thread on this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Meetecho have confirmed that having the system generate chat
> > > messages is
> > > > > pretty straightforward so I want to ask what action points are the
> most
> > > > > useful for such a message, assuming we don’t want too many such
> > > messages as
> > > > > that will clutter the chat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So far we have:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - When a new presentation is started so that it contextualises
> the
> > > chat
> > > > > messages after that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only other one I can see might be useful is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - When a poll is initiated and/or closed, perhaps with the result
> > > copied
> > > > > to the chat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes/no? and any others?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jay
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > IETF Executive Director
> > > > > > [e-mail]
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