Re: mic lines not working as well as they used to...

[Barry Leiba <[e-mail]>]

I very strongly agree with Kyle here.

In addition, I'll note that I was in multiple working group sessions where:
- The participation is relatively small anyway.
- There were several instances of extended back-and-forth discussion
in the room.
- The chairs allowed it without requiring every interaction to enter
the queue, and they watched the remote queue.
- When a remote participant raised a hand, the chairs made sure to put
them at the mic promptly.

To me, that's working well.  When there's a larger group with larger
mic queues and remote people in the queue, it really is necessary to
be somewhat more rigid, though not absolutely so.  Chairs exercise
judgment, while keeping remote participants in mind.

Barry

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 10:48 AM Kyle Rose <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> One big benefit of the virtual queue for everyone, local and remote, is not having to figure out what someone's name is after they've unintelligibly mumbled it. This alone justifies making the change permanent, IMO.
> But just stepping back from minutiae for a second, a requirement to join a virtual queue seems like literally the least attendees can do to make the experience marginally better for remote attendees. Literally the least. Making remote participation more viable will do more for inclusion than any other change the IETF has made or is likely to make.
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> I'll add that it's unclear that we have enough information to know why people aren't having extended discussions in mic lines, or even if that is true in the first place. (I did not observe this in my WG, for instance.) Behavioral changes resulting from 2 years spent in greater social isolation seems to be at least as likely a cause given the zero evidence I have for either hypothesis.
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> Kyle
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