Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org> Tue, 03 September 2024 07:02 UTC
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From: Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>
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Subject: Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
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Is the proposal that we not have a chat room? The chat room is voluntary and has real value for some people, so if someone is distracted by it then perhaps they should just close the chat window. More disruptive IMO are the on-site in-room audience members who like to have long side conversations with each other during presentations or mic discussions. Unlike a chat room one cannot escape these people and their disruptive conversations. I actually ask people to stop it from the chair table if I can hear it, but not all chairs do (and you can't always hear this talking from the chair table either). Thanks, Chris. Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Good signature from 87B66B46D9D27A33 Eliot Lear <lear@ofcourseimright.com> (trust undefined) created at 2024-09-03T02:34:55-0400 using RSA]] > My point: > > It's better to have one meeting rather than two. That is what the > human brain is wired for. When the chat really gets going, I will > bet you that those people paying attention to the chat are missing at > least some of what is being said at the microphone. People fly great > distances to participate in these meetings, and so paying attention > to the meeting in the room is a matter of courtesy. And those of us > who do often miss what is being written in the chats. Ergo two > meetings. > > That said, I'm not suggesting that there's no purpose for the chat > interface, and as I and others wrote, a very chatty chat room is a > signal to the chairs that a topic may need more discussion time. > > Eliot > > > > [4. OpenPGP public key --- application/pgp-keys; OpenPGP_0x87B66B46D9D27A33.asc]... > > [[End of PGP Signed Part]]
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kyle Rose
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… joel jaeggli
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Greg Wood
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Deb Cooley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Christian Hopps
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Tommy Jensen
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Marc Blanchet
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Salz, Rich
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jon Geater
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Susan Hares
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Donald Eastlake
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IETF 1… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kent Watsen
- Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting sur… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Qin Wu
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Michael Richardson
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Greg Wood
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Bob Hinden