From nobody Thu Sep 16 13:03:15 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF773A0EDA; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:02:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sU3FHehVEgXG; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd2c.google.com (mail-io1-xd2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 729893A0ED1; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2c.google.com with SMTP id m11so9390401ioo.6; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:02:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gIgxDRljb8gvc7nmMuHJaqqmB/FxKHTibTbTl2TKuZ8=; b=Rk0URjLYMKiadsa1hkaExalahRqCCayDtL9YBsKyeCPJ08xCugifPEVzh9W8EpiTcS TUldGSY44qJW07NztQ8Z+o6dik0TkeGFx1ZasYmdp8vDCmBfx/lwSLQrL3FK6UW98/LQ OsY8caO3bguYrpWi13TAHe5W9tly/7BfW4stNdxHXE4F/CnKJyMN6Jlz++nq4ZOECrVc LSWOPgflpT7KBNj31u4DKK6PV3qyDC5+EnsCThGrjAjhQiI4cYgg4W12PSDYnBxX2WnZ NZtCEyqmL5Usi0Hogtb+rNz+3lig2TXOftC2146Hey3bnSA8FOwgbh065bm6azT6yFlA JlJA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gIgxDRljb8gvc7nmMuHJaqqmB/FxKHTibTbTl2TKuZ8=; b=hZp5aRfOHHHhq6i8hOp6qh3nsgXus8ySRXx9XysQbuLJB+zkpnqwa1EFfHDOcyLSwy ykcOjis+r/Hpme0TMwDHcPykAns4lD4EjMt5iepyMElGCuSeyre9rCCL90aCW5AYRsF8 nAqNtlGButq7A/MivrB1Tz9QCulSXisSVJsolfZnOZ8B0BZ02YQnCJX5m64QSePlqtvD z8jVIUZYJWX3Iq2uZj42AV1z0YHc40G9d4jAYE+vi9dM+sx8qOL2olVmf4vRpNK9Fzl9 BQfjP1oXHagL6AbzxqGbabWf8Zc327R1nPRkg5E+oL6DcFJvwbA5Wq90vGb88DTkmZS5 hJTg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533NoYFYhRAVHXSmoNHjZFOSgFJLitliUNTxmBjmNIRrSAzgugM0 2rYoA0/nyBO7w0JHyNpkZTUnIz9nEhzgZM4U7Bk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJycIzW0s1n/D9j2pWiURGKWvbFbUsG4xvQW6LNbbe1yD9XqXq31tK7cMhuewfI0giIF5ZDJG2RzQuMIG9N2Cnc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:16d4:: with SMTP id g20mr5798500jat.22.1631822569803; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:02:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2B11D777-9D50-490F-B7C6-9DD769C789A6@mnot.net> <1534366.1631820151@dooku> In-Reply-To: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 16:02:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival To: Christian Huitema Cc: Michael Richardson , Carsten Bormann , Working Chairs , IETF discussion list , tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009c12da05cc224c8f" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 20:02:58 -0000 --0000000000009c12da05cc224c8f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christian, Completed minutes are archived in the Datatracker. These are draft minutes that we're talking about here. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 3:39 PM Christian Huitema wrote: > > On 9/16/2021 12:22 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Carsten Bormann wrote: > > >> On 16. Sep 2021, at 09:46, Mark Nottingham > wrote: > > >> > > >> Or, just automatically delete notes 30 days after creation. > > > > > (Again, I don=E2=80=99t know whether this was a serious proposal= . I=E2=80=99ll > treat > > > is as such for the purpose of this message.) > > > > Well, I'm serious. > > I think 30 days might be way too long. > > > > WG and design team leaders should know to download minutes at the end o= f > the > > session. It's not hard. > > But, in order to train that, the contents needs to disappear within the > day, > > and there will be some crying. Some WG session minutes will go away. > > > > > Collecting notes in our own service (as opposed to hackmd.io or > Google > > > docs) gives us more control. Another benefit of having a common > > > service is that, after a while, everybody knows how to use it an= d > we > > > can integrate it into other tools. > > > > Agreed. > > The IETF already archives mail messages and Internet drafts. How hard > would it be to archive notes and minutes? After all, this texts are part > of the standard making process, covered by the Note Well, etc. > > -- Christian Huitema > > --0000000000009c12da05cc224c8f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Christian,

Completed minutes are archiv= ed in the Datatracker. These are draft minutes=C2=A0that we're talking = about here.

Cheers,
Andy

<= /div>


On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 3:39 PM Christian Huitema <<= a href=3D"mailto:huitema@huitema.net">huitema@huitema.net> wrote:

On 9/16/2021 12:22 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
> Carsten Bormann <= cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> On 16. Sep 2021, at 09:46, Mark Nottingha= m <mnot@mnot.net&= gt; wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> Or, just automatically delete notes 30 da= ys after creation.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > (Again, I don=E2=80=99t know whether this was= a serious proposal.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll treat
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > is as such for the purpose of this message.)<= br> >
> Well, I'm serious.
> I think 30 days might be way too long.
>
> WG and design team leaders should know to download minutes at the end = of the
> session.=C2=A0 It's not hard.
> But, in order to train that, the contents needs to disappear within th= e day,
> and there will be some crying.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Some WG session minutes wil= l go away.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Collecting notes in our own service (as oppos= ed to hac= kmd.io or Google
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > docs) gives us more control.=C2=A0 Another be= nefit of having a common
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > service is that, after a while, everybody kno= ws how to use it and we
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > can integrate it into other tools.
>
> Agreed.

The IETF already archives mail messages and Internet drafts. How hard
would it be to archive notes and minutes? After all, this texts are part of the standard making process, covered by the Note Well, etc.

-- Christian Huitema

--0000000000009c12da05cc224c8f--