Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org> Mon, 02 September 2024 22:28 UTC
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 18:28:35 -0400
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Subject: Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
To: Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>
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This is not a good analogy because IETF participants are not children and are not compulsory school attendees. We are adults who have the freedom to choose our own modes of participation so long as those do not overly interfere with the official proceedings. There are a great many useful perspectives on this issue on this thread, and I find myself nodding at most of them. The common thread seems to be something like "The value of the chat depends entirely on the participant." Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'll add that chairs can help elevate side discussions by monitoring the chat and asking people to get in the queue if there is something they feel would be of substantive value to the entire audience. Kyle On Mon, Sep 2, 2024, 3:17 PM Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> wrote: > Just a few years ago, I had a teacher who would throw erasers at us for > "passing notes in class" (More than a few of us walked out of a classroom > with chalked up sweaters; he had great aim). The more polite version of > this is for the chair to say, “Let's have one meeting, please." But it may > also be a signal that a topic needs more discussion time, as some may feel > that they can't get their views across in the allotted time. > > Eliot > On 02.09.2024 20:50, Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Sep 2024, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > > The summary is helpful. I'm going to counter the first point, the chat > facilitates the flow of a meeting, enabling a level of feedback that is not > appropriate for the Mic line, yet helpful in terms of another layer of > feedback. Many contribute to it knowing that some will catch up later and > that is fine. > > > However, those engaged in the chat are missing what the meeting has > moved on to. So while it is not as distracting as people talking or > whispering, I think it is still not often a net positive to the meeting. > Making a note, and then emailing the list afterwards with a non time > constrained message would likely be better for everyone. > > That said, the chat is very tempting to plomp some opinion/data on, > and I'm guilty of it myself as well. > > Paul > >
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kyle Rose
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… joel jaeggli
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Greg Wood
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Deb Cooley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Christian Hopps
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Tommy Jensen
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Marc Blanchet
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Salz, Rich
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jon Geater
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Susan Hares
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Donald Eastlake
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IETF 1… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kent Watsen
- Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting sur… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Qin Wu
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Michael Richardson
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Greg Wood
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Bob Hinden