Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org> Tue, 03 September 2024 21:19 UTC
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From: Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2024 22:19:34 +0100
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Hi Toerless > On 3 Sep 2024, at 15:34, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote: > > Jay, *: > > My 22 cents (inflation). > > Please Let the chat be as it is and DO NOT create additional IETF wide restrictions/changes to it. > Instead, let WGs experiment more with its integration based on e.g.: feedback in this thread. In case I wasn’t clear, I was only passing on the feedback and not proposing to do anything with this other than potentially investigate further. Jay -- Jay Daley IETF Executive Director > > Steppipng back, i wish author.ietf.org would have a better collection of additional "chair slides" > with collective (or not so collective) wisdom, that chairs can pick and choose from for their WGs. > > One of those slides could be about this topic. For my WG, it would be something like this: > > - Agenda and meeting minutes share a single notes.ietf.org page! > This notes page is collaboratively edited. Please help add to it during > and after the meeting. > > - This notes page has a TODO section at the end. Please add TODO items there. > > - If you are having discussions on the chat, such as a Q&A, whose result you think > should go into the meeting notes, then please add it to the notes page. Mark it > accordingly with "(from chat)". > > - If you do not transfer useful information from chat to notes, it will be lost. > That is intentional. That's why it is called a chat! > > - If you have any issue that was not resolved during the meeting, please take it to the list! > > Cheers > Toerless > >> On Mon, Sep 02, 2024 at 05:12:00PM +0100, Jay Daley wrote: >> Hi all >> >> There were a number of aspects to the feedback in the post-IETF 120 meeting survey that are worth highlighting and updating you on. >> >> 1. Comments that the in-session chat is a distraction. This is one we will monitor and possibly ask specific questions about in the next post-meeting survey. There was a suggestion of explicit pauses in sessions to allow people, particularly presenters, to catch up with the chat but I have no idea how practical that is. >> >> 2. Comments about managing slides and presentations, that we will pass on to Meetecho. >> >> 3. Comments about the use of screen space in rooms and how that can be improved. The meetings operations team are reviewing this and we’ll see what improvements we can make. >> >> As a reminder, the survey dashboard is at [1] and the last question, Q27, has the free form comments. >> >> cheers >> Jay >> >> >> [1] https://ietf.co1.qualtrics.com/results/public/aWV0Zi1VUl8zT3laRG9JQWxidUkxZ0otNjZjMzQwNWI4ZjhlYTQwMDA4Nzg5MjNi#/pages/Page_1fe9399e-cacb-4063-af49-ee1340c57993 >> >> -- >> Jay Daley >> IETF Executive Director >> exec-director@ietf.org > > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kyle Rose
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… joel jaeggli
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Greg Wood
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Deb Cooley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Christian Hopps
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Tommy Jensen
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Marc Blanchet
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Salz, Rich
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jon Geater
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Susan Hares
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Donald Eastlake
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IETF 1… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kent Watsen
- Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting sur… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Qin Wu
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Michael Richardson
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Greg Wood
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Bob Hinden