Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> Mon, 02 September 2024 16:52 UTC
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From: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
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On Sep 2, 2024, at 09:42, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you, Jay. > > The summary is helpful. I'm going to counter the first point, the chat facilitates the flow of a meeting, enabling a level of feedback that is not appropriate for the Mic line, yet helpful in terms of another layer of feedback. Many contribute to it knowing that some will catch up later and that is fine. One person is tagged with monitoring in order to bring to the Mic line the layer needed (the person who may be remote can request the item be stated in the Mic line. > > This format does not work well outside of the IETF and may be an adjustment to some new to the IETF. However, we have a lot of high-bandwidth people involved in the IETF and this is an outlet for them to get work done (provide review, provide feedback, engage in discussion to understand points on a presentation another in the chat can respond to, etc.). For many of us, the chat is very important and would not have been noted as we've grown accustomed to it. However, this format is really hard to use in many other settings as it is too much for a lot of people to manage both listening and using chat. > > It is well suited to a lot of participants of the IETF and makes meetings a bit faster so we get more accomplished. Thanks, Kathleen. I was going to agree with what Jay wrote about "the in-session chat is a distraction" because it usually is for me. However, you're quite right that it is not a distraction for some others, and is indeed quite useful to them. One thing that I worry about for the chat (other than my limited attention span) is that some things get said there that would have be valuable at the mic and therefore in the minutes. As a minutes-taker, I would never be able to keep up with both following the mic line and the chat, but that then limits what someone who later reads my minutes would understand about "what was said". I don't have a good answer here other than maybe "the minutes should point to the chat as well as the recordings". Maybe in some groups someone will review the chat and, when the minutes are posted for review, add relevant chat bits to them; that could be problematic but so are many things with the way some WGs do minutes. --Paul Hoffman
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kyle Rose
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… joel jaeggli
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Greg Wood
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Deb Cooley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Christian Hopps
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Tommy Jensen
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Marc Blanchet
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Salz, Rich
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jon Geater
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Susan Hares
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Donald Eastlake
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IETF 1… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kent Watsen
- Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting sur… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Qin Wu
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Michael Richardson
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Greg Wood
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Bob Hinden