Re: [irsg] Chat comments for the record...

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 06:12:39PM -0400, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> Minutes are not intended as a capture of the full content of the discussion
> that took place.

> They are to capture highlights and most importantly
> tentative decisions and action points.

Right. So you need to make a good judgement call whether what you add to the
notes is something that reader of the notes would like to read, e.g.:
salient point, not absorbed by the outcome of any furthre discussion.

As in: No harm done IMHO if a bit too much is written into the notes because
stuff that is not relevant anymore when the notes are finalized after the
meeting is easier deleted, than something that wasn't captured being remembered
(without re-spending 2 hours watching the recording).

> So while I can understand someone wanting to put a suggestion into the
> minutes for the record I am not sure what it will accomplish.  If you want
> the Wg to pay attention to the suggestion, sending an email to the list has
> better reach, better visibility, and aligns with the goals.

Actually, i am not sure if this is always the case. The process of using
slots in WG meetings with audio and jabber channel and notes editing in the
end is a more thorough process of trying to create another stepping stone for
specific work items than just any mailing list conversation. Both have pro's and con's.

Cheers
     Toerless

> With apologies if I misunderstood the point,
> Joel
> 
> On 3/31/2022 5:32 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> > On 2022-03-31, at 20:14, Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > suggest to the WG participants to directly write suggestions that they
> > > would like to be on the record (when they cannot/wantnot make them
> > > on the microphone), not (only) into the chat, but directly
> > > into the notes.ietf.org notes as they are being taken.
> > 
> > That is such a great idea that we have been doing this in interims, design team meetings etc. for quite a while now.
> > 
> > I sometimes do that when touristing in WGs where I’m not as familiar with the current customs; this may seem a bit jarring to people who think that a minutes document cannot contain things that haven’t been said.
> > 
> > So it would be good to make this part of the etiquette, and maybe develop a notation convention for things that have not (yet) been said.  In particular, people who are going to make a comment at the microphone might want to write up their comment in the notes before that so the note-takers don’t have to do this in real-time.
> > 
> > Grüße, Carsten
> > 

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