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Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sun, 06 October 2019 14:22 UTC

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Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:
    >> The trend is supposed to now be that shepherds are assigned when the
    >> document
    >>     is adopted.  That is so that they can watch to how the consensus is
    >> formed.
 
    > I have never heard, nor been told that.

It could be that I've made this up, or that it's just something I've been
doing.  But, I don't think that I'm alone in this delusion.  I know that it's
not widespread.  Nor is the practice of trying to have people who are not the
WG chair be shepherds.

A reason I give for doing this is because it trains people up a bit to be
able to become WG chairs.  And it gives the WG chairs (and AD) a bit like an
idea if the person would make a good chair.... and lord needs we need more WG
chairs (and more diverse of them), because... only WG chairs can become ADs.
[an unwritten rule enforced by IAB]

    > I have also heard and been told that the WG chairs, perhaps with
    > observation by the AD at a meeting, decide consensus.

Yes, WG chairs should be trying to judge consensus at meetings, and on
mailing lists.  The shepherd's job is to observe and report whether this
process worked well or not.
 
    > Where did you get this?  Is it written down in any guidance for WG
    > chairs?

Sorry, I don't know.  I could wander around the WG chair pages and look again.

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