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Re: [rfc-i] Poll: RFCs with page numbers (pretty please) ?

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 27 October 2020 06:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Poll: RFCs with page numbers (pretty please) ?
To: Ronald Tse <tse@ribose.com>, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 27-Oct-20 14:58, Ronald Tse wrote:
> Thanks for the message. I do agree with most of your points, and may have had trouble expressing that.
> 
> In the last example you also described why the page numbers between PDF and TXT output will not sync:
> 
>> But two of several advantages of the contemporary (xml2rfc v3)
>> PDF version is that it can contain and render pictures easily
>> and that, if characters are used outside the ASCII repertoire,
>> they are rendered correctly as well.
> 
> It’s not easy synchronizing page numbers between two paginated outputs if rendered objects are allowed to have different dimensions (e.g. ASCII art in TXT vs SVG in PDF).

Exactly. That's why any reference to page numbers is potentially misleading, because the page number depends on the presentation mechanism.

(For archaeologists, this issue came up in mid-2014 on the rfc-interest list and the relevant text in RFC7994 goes back to draft-flanagan-plaintext-03 in September 2014. Of course, we could relitigate this now that there is finally running code.)

    Brian

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