RE: Please comment on your use of trac

"Black, David" <David.Black@dell.com> Fri, 26 February 2021 21:59 UTC

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From: "Black, David" <David.Black@dell.com>
To: Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>, "wgchairs@ietf.org" <wgchairs@ietf.org>
CC: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>, "Black, David" <David.Black@dell.com>
Subject: RE: Please comment on your use of trac
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> 2.  A few WGs - EMAILCORE, DMARC and TSVWG are using trac for issue tracking and need migrating to a new issue tracker.  Would you be happy if that was GitHub? (DMARC has already indicated this is acceptable).

GitHub should be fine for TSVWG.

> 3.  Many more WGs used to use trac for issue tracking but no longer do.  We need to find a way to archive these for the historical record,
> but I want to check you would be happy if that was just an export to a text file that could then be a wiki page rather than moving them to a new issue tracking system?

TSVWG may need to look at current trac contents as part of ongoing work.  A text file for archiving purposes may not be the best format for that purpose - HTML capture of contents of each ticket might be more useful.  I think TSVWG will be ok with having to open new issues/tickets in new system (i.e., no need to have existing tickets moved over).

Thanks, --David

-----Original Message-----
From: WGChairs <wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jay Daley
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 5:40 PM
To: wgchairs@ietf.org
Cc: Robert Sparks
Subject: Re: Please comment on your use of trac


[EXTERNAL EMAIL] 

I’m in the process of drafting the RFP for this work and I want to check a few things base on your replies:

1.  It sounds as it everyone is comfortable with a migration to a new wiki system 

2.  A few WGs - EMAILCORE, DMARC and TSVWG are using trac for issue tracking and need migrating to a new issue tracker.  Would you be happy if that was GitHub? (DMARC has already indicated this is acceptable).

3.  Many more WGs used to use trac for issue tracking but no longer do.  We need to find a way to archive these for the historical record, but I want to check you would be happy if that was just an export to a text file that could then be a wiki page rather than moving them to a new issue tracking system?

4.  The following features for a new wiki system have been recommended:

	* document names resolve to links to the documents without having to require explicit URLs.
	* I would like a markdown based wiki system.

5.  We are currently considering moving to a *single* wiki instead of multiple different instances of the same wiki.  The means the following features are needed to support the various ways that WGs and other groups use their wikis:

	• support of OIDC for authentication with Datatracker
	• permissions system (which will be limited to roles that Datatracker know about)

(so far the product that seems to meet these requirements the best is Wiki.js)

Any comments, or any more to add?

Jay


> On 4/02/2021, at 5:17 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
> 
> We currently have instances of trac configured for each working group. Only some are being used.
> 
> If your group is using trac, are you using anything essentially trac-specific that you find important?
> 
> Would you be ok migrating (with help) to a different wiki system and a different issue tracking system?
> 
> The trac project itself is lagging with Python development - stable still only runs on Python 2.7 and while there appears to be work towards Python 3, it is not yet functional, and is not progressing quickly. We are working around it by encapsulating it in docker instances running 2.7.
> 
> I've had several people suggest we should stop supporting it, and I'd like to know if that would be a particular hardship for any group.
> 
> RjS
> 
> 

-- 
Jay Daley
IETF Executive Director
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