RE: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda
Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Mon, 19 October 2020 18:49 UTC
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Subject: RE: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 19:49:38 +0100
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This thread (re-)opens the question of the value of a full virtual meeting. There is unquestionable (to me) value in the plenary session, and a few of the agenda-slot meetings are widely attended. But it seems that the main draw of an in-person meeting is the interactions in the corridors and after people have spoken at agenda sessions. Also the ad hoc gatherings to advance topics. It seems to me that most/all of this was missing at IETF-108 and is likely to be missing at IETF-109. So what is left between the packed one-week agenda and a sparse three-month schedule of "interims". Maybe the only benefit I can see is that rather than having to be out of bed every week for a poorly-scheduled interim, I can be out of bed for a whole week for the IETF week. I am not sure that is an advantage, especially when weighed against agenda clashes (at IETF-108 I tried listening to multiple audio streams at once, and it fried my poor brain). So I'd like to see a renewed discussion of why we are doing this to ourselves. (And yes, this discussion should probably be in schmoo) (And, oh yes, what about the funding model) Adrian -----Original Message----- From: WGChairs <wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Michael Richardson Sent: 19 October 2020 18:01 To: David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> Cc: Working Group Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org> Subject: Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> wrote: > It never occurred to me that there were people who would attend the entire > 12Am-6Am meeting and had no expectation of people attending an expanded > version of that. It now appears that there are such people but I expect > there will be very few. Yes, there are many people who attend a meeting almost every single session, and often have conflicts. Some of them are Area Directors (IESG), and IAB. But, many of them are just active members. If your WG does not require or experience interactions with people outside some specific working set, then I recommend not dealing with this time zone. Hold a virtual interim meeting. Hold a series of them. The CELLAR WG, of which I'm co-chair, has met only once at an IETF meeting, for instance. It's a group of ~8 to ~12 people who are very github/ML focused, and who mostly work on these documents outside of their day$job. {typing this in an editor that is saving it's files over NFSv4, btw} -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [
- IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda IETF Agenda
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Carsten Bormann
- RE: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Tianran Zhou
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Martin Duke
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Carsten Bormann
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda David Noveck
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Benjamin Kaduk
- IETF109 starts at noon (local time) Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF109 starts at noon (local time) Carsten Bormann
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda David Noveck
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Andrew G. Malis
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Lou Berger
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Martin Duke
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Alissa Cooper
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Lou Berger
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda David Noveck
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Michael Richardson
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Carsten Bormann
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Martin Duke
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Lou Berger
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Dave Lawrence
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Michael Richardson
- RE: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Adrian Farrel
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Jay Daley
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Toerless Eckert
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Tim Chown
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Robert Sparks
- Re: IETF 109 Preliminary Agenda Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Cj Aronson
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Fred Baker