Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 02 September 2024 16:57 UTC
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From: Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 12:57:43 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting survey
To: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>
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On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 12:52 PM Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote: > On Sep 2, 2024, at 09:42, Kathleen Moriarty < > kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Thank you, Jay. > > > > The summary is helpful. I'm going to counter the first point, the chat > facilitates the flow of a meeting, enabling a level of feedback that is not > appropriate for the Mic line, yet helpful in terms of another layer of > feedback. Many contribute to it knowing that some will catch up later and > that is fine. One person is tagged with monitoring in order to bring to the > Mic line the layer needed (the person who may be remote can request the > item be stated in the Mic line. > > > > This format does not work well outside of the IETF and may be an > adjustment to some new to the IETF. However, we have a lot of > high-bandwidth people involved in the IETF and this is an outlet for them > to get work done (provide review, provide feedback, engage in discussion to > understand points on a presentation another in the chat can respond to, > etc.). For many of us, the chat is very important and would not have been > noted as we've grown accustomed to it. However, this format is really hard > to use in many other settings as it is too much for a lot of people to > manage both listening and using chat. > > > > It is well suited to a lot of participants of the IETF and makes > meetings a bit faster so we get more accomplished. > > Thanks, Kathleen. I was going to agree with what Jay wrote about "the > in-session chat is a distraction" because it usually is for me. However, > you're quite right that it is not a distraction for some others, and is > indeed quite useful to them. > > One thing that I worry about for the chat (other than my limited attention > span) is that some things get said there that would have be valuable at the > mic and therefore in the minutes. As a minutes-taker, I would never be able > to keep up with both following the mic line and the chat, but that then > limits what someone who later reads my minutes would understand about "what > was said". > > I don't have a good answer here other than maybe "the minutes should point > to the chat as well as the recordings". Maybe in some groups someone will > review the chat and, when the minutes are posted for review, add relevant > chat bits to them; that could be problematic but so are many things with > the way some WGs do minutes. > > --Paul Hoffman > Paul I was going to say "I make sure to add the Zulip chat links to the minutes and I looked and then I realized I only added a link to only one of the sessions, sigh. tim
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Michael Richardson
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kyle Rose
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… joel jaeggli
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Eliot Lear
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Greg Wood
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Deb Cooley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Christian Hopps
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Tommy Jensen
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Marc Blanchet
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Jay Daley
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Alexander Stein
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Salz, Rich
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Jon Geater
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Susan Hares
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Donald Eastlake
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Tero Kivinen
- Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IETF 1… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Kent Watsen
- Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting sur… Jay Daley
- Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-m… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Feedback from IETF 120 V… Deen, Glenn (Comcast Cable)
- RE: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Qin Wu
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Michael Richardson
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouv… Alexander Stein
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Bob Hinden
- Re: Feedback from IETF 120 Vancouver post-meeting… Warren Kumari
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Greg Wood
- Re: Chair slides templates - Re: Feedback from IE… Bob Hinden