Re: PSA: Automatic Minutes Generation

[Phillip Hallam-Baker <[e-mail]>]

Does the datatracker also track the result of shows of hands? I was
scribing yesterday and it was a bit of a pain juggling multiple screens. I
was pretty sure that the information was being captured but since I didn't
know for sure had to do it.

A point I am rather skeptical about is the ability of an LLM to
accurately capture the conclusions from mic interactions which frequently
start off with a hazy question, receive a hazy answer and gradually
converge on a common understanding. In those cases, it is the common
understanding that we want to go into the minutes, not necessarily how we
got there.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 3:24 PM Orie <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I filed https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/9881 as a
> proposal to integrate autominutes into datatracker directly.
>
> I think it's important to enable corrections and clarifications in
> minutes, especially to support direct links to related resources.
>
> Regards,
>
> OS
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 11:39 AM Lemmons, Chris <Chris_Lemmons=
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Just a usage report… I found the real-ish time notes very helpful after
>> taking notes for MOPS. I took notes as normal for the session, but after
>> the session when the auto-minutes were available, I double-checked against
>> them. I found that the auto-minutes had slightly mischaracterized some
>> conversations, but not any worse than a human does. It did, however, make
>> *different*​ mistakes than I did, so I was able to correct my notes with
>> the things it captured effectively. It was very useful that the
>> auto-minutes were available very quickly after the session while my memory
>> was still fresh.
>>
>> Many thanks for your efforts here, they are very much appreciated.
>>
>> *From: *Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]>
>> *Date: *Monday, November 3, 2025 at 3:32 PM
>> *To: *Working Group Chairs <[e-mail]>
>> *Subject: *Re: PSA: Automatic Minutes Generation
>>
>> Update:
>> I am generating live-ish minutes for IETF 124 at:
>> https://ietfminutes.org/minutes/ietf124/index.html
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ietfminutes.org/minutes/ietf124/index.html__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!Cp64CfaSh9BVeM9KKwGj5sFMR2ueryvxZh8WRGSaEZpko5keJ9ZPkFiqE3WPWX12o7SsF5aNhAEzPw$>
>>
>> It takes some time for Meetecho to produce the transcripts, so they're
>> not available right after the meeting, but as a reference point Monday
>> Session I is now available.
>>
>> -Ekr
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2025 at 7:02 PM Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chairs,
>>
>> Like many of you, I've long been unsatisfied with the situation around
>> IETF minute taking, in which we conscript someone into taking minutes,
>> thus preventing them from fully participating, and often with mediocre
>> results.
>>
>> In an attempt to partly address this situation, I've put together an
>> automatic minutes generator at (https://ietfminutes.org/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ietfminutes.org/__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!Cp64CfaSh9BVeM9KKwGj5sFMR2ueryvxZh8WRGSaEZpko5keJ9ZPkFiqE3WPWX12o7SsF5by2XDQvg$>).
>> The site
>> takes as input the Meetecho transcript and produces AI-generated
>> minutes. I've gone back and made minutes through IETF 112 (November
>> 2021) and I plan to produce minutes for IETF 124 (Montreal) once
>> transcripts are available, shortly after the meeting.
>>
>> Hopefully others will find this useful.
>>
>> -Ekr
>>
>> P.S. I'm not a WG chair, so you should make sure to keep
>> me on CC if you want a response.
>>
>>