Re: [irsg] Please comment on your use of trac

"Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com> Wed, 03 February 2021 20:03 UTC

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From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com>
To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Subject: Re: [irsg] Please comment on your use of trac
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On 2/3/21, 9:26 AM, "hackathon on behalf of Robert Sparks" <mailman-bounces@mail.ietf.org on behalf of rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
    On 2/3/21 11:00 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
    > On 2021-02-03, at 17:17, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
    >> If your group is using trac, are you using anything essentially trac-specific that you find important?
    > Not speaking for a particular WG, but we still use trac for the hackathon and for the meeting wiki (and the chairs' Wiki!), for the BOF wiki etc.
    Sure - but are there any trac-specific things we're using for those 
    wikis? Would using something else in those places be really difficult? 
    (Assume that if we changed, there would be automation for migrating 
    existing content).

We do make extensive use of trac for the hackathon wiki, but I think just about any wiki would do.
Something that supports markdown and that does not require the creation and use of yet another set of credentials would be nice.

Cheers,
Charles

    >
    > (The WG I used to chair last managed to wean itself off trac/SVN and move to github; none of the WGs I contribute to still has notable trac-based work.)
    >
    > Grüße, Carsten
    >