Re: Recent Webex issues (Was: Meetecho for interim meetings)

Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> Tue, 27 April 2021 17:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: Recent Webex issues (Was: Meetecho for interim meetings)
To: Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>
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Hi Jay,

thank you for the quick feedback and for inhibiting me from doing this 
again!

Viele Grüße,

Henk

On 26.04.21 21:35, Jay Daley wrote:
> Hi Henk
> 
> We’ve looked at this this and there are indeed three options as below:
> 
> 1. "Webex Meeting Pro 200"
> This is the default and the only one that should be used.  If used this will allow full connectivity including WebRTC.
> 
> 2.  "Webex Meetings 107 Virtual"
> This was an experiment and has now been deleted.
> 
> 3.  "Webex Personal Conference"
> This is auto-created by Webex and sets up an audio only conference.  We believe the issue recently was that this was used not option 1 above but we cannot get stats on the usage of this so we are going to take a risk and disable it to precent this happening again and we will see if anyone complains.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
>> On 23/04/2021, at 6:43 PM, Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Jay! That is very appreciated.
>>
>> On 22.04.21 21:59, Jay Daley wrote:
>>>> On 23/04/2021, at 3:28 AM, Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de <mailto:henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> quickly running though a series of tests with Michael, we were able to to recreate the issue and also schedule meetings that do not exhibit the issue.
>>>>
>>>> You can select a "Meeting type", when you schedule a meeting. You should select "Webex Meeting Pro 200" there.
>>>>
>>>> As you might have guessed, I did not. Selecting "Webex Personal Conference" instead comes with the issue we experienced at the iotops interim.
>>>>
>>>> So, it is pretty easy to circumvent that issue by selecting the "correct" type. Now, I am left wondering, why I have three options to choose from. My options are:
>>>>
>>>> "Webex Meetings 107 Virutal"
>>>> "Webex Meeting Pro 200"
>>>> "WebEx Personal Conference"
>>>>
>>>> Are these options the same for everyone else? Do we need anything else than "Webex Meeting Pro 200"?
>>> I will pickup and see what it happening with this.
>>> Jay
>>>>
>>>> Viele Grüße,
>>>>
>>>> Henk
>>>>
>>>> On 21.04.21 10:51, Henk Birkholz wrote:
>>>>> Hi Spencer,
>>>>> I personally know of four individuals that were not able to join. Two of them presenters, three of them using Linux and one of them using a Mac.
>>>>> I joined in testing another reoccurring IETF webex instance afterwards and that worked fine.
>>>>>  From my point of view, it might have something to do with the individual session I set up and the issue is maybe limited to "non-app" users.
>>>>> Viele Grüße,
>>>>> Henk
>>>>> On 20.04.21 23:57, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:
>>>>>> To the survivors of the IOTOPS meeting ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:50 PM Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de <mailto:henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> <mailto:henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      while I was able to join the IOTOPS webex, I understand that quite a
>>>>>>      few
>>>>>>      people where blocked from joining.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did I understand correctly that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    * a number of participants who were blocked were using Linux systems, but
>>>>>>    * some number of participants said they WERE able to join using Linux
>>>>>>      systems?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could have gotten that wrong, because I was just listening to the general background banter, but that's what I thought I heard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> p.s. Michael Richardson and I co-chair Cellar, which doesn't use WebEx for our meetings, but I can't imagine trying to run one of our meetings from a cell phone - you'll be shocked to learn that we each have a screen open for the video. a screen open in Github, and another screen open for CodiMD, at a minimum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Maybe something broke when I set this up. Although there is some chance
>>>>>>      that the issue sneaked in with some default setting (as I am not aware
>>>>>>      of a deviation from defaults).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Whatever happened, I actually hope it was me. If anyone can shed a bit
>>>>>>      more light on this - or speak from a similar experience - that would of
>>>>>>      course be great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Viele Grüße,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Henk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      On 20.04.21 20:37, Carsten Bormann wrote:
>>>>>>       > On 20. Apr 2021, at 18:11, Michael Richardson
>>>>>>      <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca <mailto:mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> <mailto:mcr%2Bietf@sandelman.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>>       >>
>>>>>>       >> Today, IOTOPS chairs and speakers found that webex had stopped
>>>>>>      working a few minutes before the meeting.  Some of us are suffering
>>>>>>      with a smartphone with a tiny screen.
>>>>>>       >
>>>>>>       > Amazingly, all other Webex links (IETF or not) that I tried today
>>>>>>      properly offer the WebRTC link (“Join via Browser”).
>>>>>>       > Just
>>>>>> https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m633bd0ec88130283104fb7cd84156f3e
>>>>>>      doesn’t.
>>>>>>       >
>>>>>>       > Iotops Is a relatively young WG.  Maybe something broke when
>>>>>>      setting this up?
>>>>>>       >
>>>>>>       > Grüße, Carsten
>>>>>>       >
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Jay Daley
>>> IETF Executive Director
>>> jay@ietf.org <mailto:jay@ietf.org>
>>
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