From nobody Fri May 14 10:15:50 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82ECE3A3988 for ; Fri, 14 May 2021 10:15:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cNAVPvXp_g-a for ; Fri, 14 May 2021 10:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com (mail-qk1-x72e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A49C3A3987 for ; Fri, 14 May 2021 10:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id 197so29370436qkl.12 for ; Fri, 14 May 2021 10:15:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WRKOq2r6fwOq5C225Qi55NS4ddWKrwEx3wjGYb68MGw=; b=vcERtma5LisfvDMVoztxYiNFC2eO7+Y8r37K30M8Py6ZGjoCiHT2A4CE1Rcv/+NvT4 0KfSETeGl3gmSkVKs0P7hHlyHDY1wuDPu1VFzyBU0BYZsMm9itDCBwjhWmaGjPPCHkZx q1gy0uT754QIXNDJOs0C0fWxP4mxsawAMKrKPU4w6EANlFva15VuTg61Zz4kknb1+Ica CilM2f0zrnvMKtssoACSWm09SjBcllcKeob90MiPd3Va2pHR75E6P5fEr6TPkcZ8ozpT Lq9uRAQbtr4XKaABBuItfExk5yyPWxTEUk0+UU5qK1P+meD2ffJ4QIO7UBy22fHHT320 XSNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WRKOq2r6fwOq5C225Qi55NS4ddWKrwEx3wjGYb68MGw=; b=dW0orAhWAymzC8BDyvbpiT8nO5xKu6PGt3gK8hDxwkrtxDJ1cWpiyKTFUSMPB/eM49 fMxwcL4/xbSUSX8uLmHyDOEzBpunbNtRtCfQUZ++a+KyWTQcIB5tz/zHfgDAvQ/l2UaS WUV0gu3xhiJh2FS6NsM2MNjEC4iTtrnImzaPwC2BTFcCWx6Fp5n0j4QuyBeW0qYXd7kb 3KHE0mV2lVBjGlCjCIxKIWyEOTnwUDugIbbOVJhlzJlH1HNlBP3uiqWjeqyL/SVB0FOr P81IE0KGAJcGvE3HsX40LeerwVInTCdMz2ukKM20XTkk1994Epo1ywaa6Ms5z8uOUc55 voSg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532xQeU+YY+QDx3wrckCIQfVf2fAYJsoViqW9PmMP6DqQwsVhSvs mY37wFxVDMSBv93V90lLVRF+Dvu5JZrX5GOxCIo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw/EVzx1uUPh1oSm+piHDmQ2P+990kfL305nULOEp9OQRaT9gj5Z2jvEtNr0pAqjN9Agk2ZWkJwko1RcmOBvJk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:3c8:: with SMTP id r8mr44190970qkm.204.1621012537859; Fri, 14 May 2021 10:15:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5FDD7FD3-FC0F-DD41-9F1A-48930BBBF22D@hxcore.ol> <6.2.5.6.2.20210514020559.0eeeefa0@elandnews.com> <2E02B592-557A-9F48-BB26-8836ED0A08CD@hxcore.ol> In-Reply-To: From: Daniel Migault Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 13:15:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Holding an action To: Yaron Sheffer Cc: Robert Sparks , "wgchairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007edfa005c24d6478" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 17:15:50 -0000 --0000000000007edfa005c24d6478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" +1 Depending on the possible flows it might not be relevant, but with the one I have in mind authors might be replaced by the AD and the AD may not even appear in the first place. Yours, Daniel On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 12:36 PM Yaron Sheffer wrote: > Thank you Robert! I agree this should have happened when we submitted the > new rev. > > > > Yaron > > > > On 5/14/21, 19:02, "Robert Sparks" wrote: > > I think there is a bug in the new code that should remove the authors as > > action holders when a new revision is submitted. > > > > I just created https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietfdb/ticket/3281 > > > > The relevant code starts here: > > > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietfdb/browser/trunk/ietf/doc/utils.py#L469 > > > > RjS > > > > On 5/14/21 8:07 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: > > > We discussed that quite a bit while I was on the IESG recently, and > > > also discussed it with the tools team. In the end, we decided that it > > > can't, in general, be done automatically, and the best approach is > > > that if one needs to remember what the action is, one should > > > (manually) put a comment in the datatracker as a reminder (which I > > > often did as AD, and which I will do as WGC when I need to). > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 5:19 AM Yaron Sheffer > wrote: > > >> Yes, and I know that. My point is: there is no use telling people that > they have an action without telling them what it is. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 5/14/21, 12:12, "S Moonesamy" wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Yaron, > > >> > > >> At 02:01 AM 14-05-2021, Yaron Sheffer wrote: > > >> > > >>> As a co-author, I am marked as an "action > > >>> holder" with a bright red "for 35 days" on my draft [1]. > > >> > > >> > > >> There is a "discuss" from one of the Security > > >> > > >> Area Directors. The usual practice in such cases > > >> > > >> is to discuss the "discuss" with the Area Director. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> S. Moonesamy > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > -- Daniel Migault Ericsson --0000000000007edfa005c24d6478 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Fr= i, May 14, 2021 at 12:36 PM Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

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On 5/14/21, 19:02, "Robert Sparks" = <rjsparks@nost= rum.com> wrote:

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On 5/14/21 8:07 AM, Barry Leiba wrote:

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